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Yes, it is pathetically true — I managed to exceed the wiki limits with my archive and page and it is now split into pieces. These are the older comments.

2011-03-28 00:44:42   Lol! —NickSchmalenberger

2011-03-28 14:25:59   re: your comment on my page, that's a very good point and one that I didn't consider. I agree that once you're out there, you're out there (nice photograph example, I liked it). (and from here on I go in a completely different direction than your comment was about...) However, I think there's still a disconnect when we talk about general notability on the wiki, as a practical thing. If it's a random Joe Schmoe doing something crazy, it's hard to kind of fit that onto a wiki page. "Check out this pic of this random guy" doesn't usually lend itself to a wiki page. Maybe it will, I certainly think it can, but I don't think it has been for the most part. If it's an employee of a business doing something, it very quickly gets linked to the business. That's not necessarily fair, but it seems to be a pretty common theme that while at work/on duty/in the uniform, whatever, you represent or are an extension of the business. It's why so many people are censured/quit/fired for things some of them do on their own time while not even in uniform - a lot of places have a relatively strict code of content, on and off hours, and if you make the company look bad you're taking a big risk. More specifically, if someone got a picture of an employee in a Blockbusters shirt and name tag getting drunk every now and then at G Street and then peeing on the sidewalk in broad daylight...that'll certainly attract a lot more attention, specifically to Blockbusters as a company, than the same picture of a random unknown undergrad. Practically, it's a lot easier to fit that picture onto the wiki than fit the same picture of an unknown guy. The question being raised in my mind by those types of pictures is really the business association with the action, rather than the action itself, which isn't fair but simply one of the ways the world often is. Hell, there's at least half a dozen examples in the news the last few months in which people have resigned or been fired based on something they said off the record which was inappropriate. It's only noteworthy due to their position within or association with some organization/company. And I guess that's kind of my overall point/thoughtrambles. edit: to add more, I don't think that's necessarily too unfair thinking of the other side. Many local businesses seem pretty proud to show community support or any number of good deeds that support the city and it's people. A picture of the drunk employee peeing in public has more notability and potential wiki worth due to the businesses ties within the community - it damages their neighborly status and reputation. To say the least, it's a bit of a PR problem, whereas the random undergrad is unlinked to any specific thing and is only notable as an action being gross/wrong. There's more depth to the employee, because they'd ultimately be considered the extension/representative for the company. More rambled thoughts, I guess. Apologies for the stream of unconsciousness. I'd rather do anything right now than work on what needs to be done. —EdWins

2011-03-29 18:04:11   Kill it with fire. —hankim

2011-03-29 18:20:49   I saw no vote on the page as we did in a previous discussion. —PeterBoulay

2011-03-29 18:25:37   JW—with all due respect-I simply disagree. When I was minorly sarcastic, you slapped me down and told me to stop yet lawson gets away with ripping people severely and in a deliberately personal manner. That disparity is really inappropriate and being as people DO see you as the Wiki Head (yes, people do) I feel you should take a more consistent approach. That's all. —PeterBoulay

  • When people deal with an entity as awesome as myself, they have to kneel and respect the FACT that I am a king among seems like you are crying about's ok..I bring you a tissue.. —JoshLawson

2011-03-29 18:31:44   No people are letting him off....and you didn't ban him for it because we just saw the ban discussion led towards not banning. I'm leaning towards a basic level of respect for all users of this wiki, female/male, resident or not. Personal attacks on levels such as his simply should not be tolerated —PeterBoulay

  • I am hot and cold running awesome. "Attacks" are not what I do...if a spade is a spade, it gets called out for being a spade. I have the balls to do this.....pseudo-intellectual psycho-babble doesn't stymie me into some sugarcoated, smarty-pants BS type of response...You want a straight answer, "I'm your Huckleberry". —JoshLawson

2011-03-29 18:35:40   Then I apologize—I didn't see where you had. Thank you for the clarification —PeterBoulay

2011-03-30 11:09:40   Pink meat? What does that have anything to do with - Ohhhhhhhh. Stealing that phrase next time I refer to spam. :) —[AlexanderHo]

2011-03-31 16:08:25   Whoops. I'm glad he's not one to call me a pussy, just possibly himself. Did I go off on a tangent? —BruceHansen

2011-03-31 16:26:43   Ah, very cool! —CovertProfessor

2011-04-06 15:49:54   Like this, you mean? —CovertProfessor

2011-04-06 17:03:57   Hmm, something to live up to. I doubt I would be that restrained in my choice of words if I broke my arm. —CovertProfessor

2011-04-06 17:21:36   Thanks. Also, I'm glad that Sarah was amused by my April 1st weirdness. :D —ScottMeehleib

2011-04-07 17:58:14   Thank you for your editing assistance. Love the name and the hate. I had to read the poem when I was a kid. So I dig the name. —Dozer

2011-04-07 20:55:16   Hunh! I'll have to try that at some point. Sometimes good food does show up in the most unlikely of places. —CovertProfessor

2011-04-10 20:09:38   Troll long enough through the history and you'll find this was not my first attempt at deviousness. —WesHardaker

2011-04-13 14:06:55   Thanks... apparently even more preview was necessary! —TomGarberson

2011-04-13 23:43:12   Hey man I got a question about the Wiki If you could help me out that'd be great Thanks, Nikhil —NikhilDahal

2011-04-13 23:43:46   Hey man I got a question about the Wiki If you could help me out that'd be great Thanks, Nikhil —NikhilDahal

2011-04-14 00:05:01   I was wondering how you could reply to a comment already posted, and how I could comment on one of them "Talk Pages" (ex:Tres Hermanas Talk) because I couldn't find a comment button.


2011-04-16 21:34:03   Thank you for the editing help on the Team Kalanetra page. Looks better! —kmkalanetra

2011-04-18 19:19:09   Totally actually. High blood pressure from sodium consumption only occurs within a small percentage of the population. Too much salt can lead to water retention and bloating, but just the right amount (a pinch or two on your potatoes or whatever) can help prevent dizziness and muscle cramps during a workout. If you sweat excessively like I do, proper salt consumption can even prevent diarrhea. —hankim

2011-04-20 13:36:41   I know what you mean. Spokespeople are very good at using careful language so you can interpret them a certain way without them technically lying. So if they say "we're checking into the allegations," you'd think that means they didn't hear about them until now, when it might be possible they just never followed through the first time. Or the UCD spokesperson saying "I was unaware of such a complaint" could mean the letter was filed, but not with him and he didn't know until now. Or, maybe they never did receive it but you would think they would say that very clearly if that were true... I guess I have a cynical view of the whole thing though. —MeggoWaffle

2011-04-20 17:14:03   That's (one of the reasons) why editing is a group effort. :-) —CovertProfessor

2011-04-20 20:14:27   I wouldn't be surprised if she would go for that! The request might be better coming from a non-anonymous source, though. Sorry about that. —CovertProfessor

2011-04-24 14:13:40   Thanks. :-) —CovertProfessor

2011-04-24 15:35:33   I recently ran across a page called Thai Restaurants and I saw under the place I work there was not much written, if I wrote something on there would it be sockpucketry? —NikhilDahal

2011-04-24 19:47:17   Thank you for the clarification.

I have recently ran into the problem of my edits/comments on pages have effected the Skype settings on those pages, is there something I should do with my computer settings so that this problem does not happen again?NikhilDahal

2011-04-24 21:57:13   Good call, bumped it over to the accusations page. Obviously, there'd still arguments over whether something's fair, but it might be possible to create a tone on the wiki that leaves people feeling a little better and provides a reference point for discussions that's more relatable for new wikizens than "whatever the community decides." —TomGarberson

2011-04-24 23:38:20   I can try to answer your question, but before I do I need to get unstuck about the "unfounded" part. How do we know it was unfounded? Even if the witness isn't sure if something bad happened or not, perhaps something bad did happen. Is it still unfounded if something bad did in fact happen? —CovertProfessor

2011-04-25 00:06:06   I think I'll be able to think about this more clearly after a night's sleep... I'll try to write something then... —CovertProfessor

2011-04-25 15:26:31   I am still trying to sort your your recent comments on my page, but I think this is what's going on. Let's leave out the term "unfounded," which I think we may be using differently. There are stories that are internally inconsistent or lack content at all (fluffy). I agree that those have no place on the wiki. I think we both agree that personal attacks (ad hominems) have no place on the wiki either. Then there are stories for which little evidence is provided, perhaps even with the teller admitting that he or she lacks complete evidence. (I think those are the stories that you are calling unfounded; again, I think that's a misleading choice of words because it implies that the story is false or without foundation). Let's call those stories "thin." Then I think that we have to consider whether, if the thin story were true, the repetition of the behavior on which the story was based would cause harm. If so, then I think there is reason to keep it on the wiki. However, I think there is also reason to point out the thinness of the evidence, any other mitigating circumstances, and testimony that seems to suggest that the accused otherwise behaves in an exemplary way. Does that answer your question?? —CovertProfessor

2011-04-26 04:03:55   Hi JW. Any update on Racemosa project? —jonpatterns

2011-04-26 08:56:03   Ok, Tom's term, not yours, got it. But thinking through why it was misleading helped me think through what the issues really were. Anyway, I've probably said all I have to say for now, so I'll look forward to reading your comments. —CovertProfessor

2011-04-26 13:56:25   Times like these I feel a particular need to make a productive edit or two. —CovertProfessor

I don't think so? —hankim

2011-04-26 22:09:01   Holy crap, I step away for 5 minutes and you guys freaking WIN that page. —TomGarberson

2011-04-26 22:11:41   I love you —StevenDaubert

2011-04-26 22:19:34   oh the irony, I popped my head into the zabace office IRL before I got sick (mmm secondary bacterial infections) and informed them of the huge wall of text that is now under debate via "moderator" account. They said only the head honcho responds.... Alas had I know it would have been like this I would have kept mum

sigh —StevenDaubert

2011-04-26 22:31:11   yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay

♥♥♥ —StevenDaubert


2011-04-26 22:51:57   The man almost seems like he is just blatantly ignoring the point I'm trying to make. Maybe the wiki needs an established period of time where an issue solved by consensus can be re-evaluated. This is so frakking annoying and I want it to go away, but not just because one "side" has more time to dedicate to drowning out voices. :-( —OliviaY

2011-04-27 09:03:16   No big deal! —MeggoWaffle

2011-04-27 11:08:10   Mark Shepphard always makes me think of Firefly, but I really loved him in BSG. —EdWins

2011-04-27 16:15:16   What? —hankim

2011-04-27 18:34:17   Oh yes, please do! We need more editors like that! —CovertProfessor

2011-04-28 07:53:45   Thank you! —michaelgrippi

2011-04-29 13:59:32   By the way, I sent you an email at some point. Not sure if you saw it or not. —hankim

2011-04-29 14:45:58   FFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU! You made the edit while I was previewing my edit! You telling me to preview was just a trick so that you can beat me to these things! —hankim

2011-04-29 14:53:23   Sent. —hankim

2011-05-01 13:42:59   they have beef, a falling out occurred —StevenDaubert

2011-05-01 20:26:16   I can't see any layers... but I want the long form! Why are you hiding this information? Why do you hate America? —hankim

2011-05-01 22:13:40   Iirc, it started with other people's conversations on Ikedas, and then went to our user pages. The usual hard-to-find conversation. :-) —CovertProfessor

2011-05-02 13:08:18   The good news is that I did see your message first... the bad news is now that I have, I am tempted to close my browser and read no further. Maybe I'll just scratch my dog for awhile. —CovertProfessor

2011-05-02 20:55:20   Thank you, I think I got it handled now. I appreciate your help. —Dozer

2011-05-03 14:05:06   Glad you liked the picture! If you want the complete story, read my blog on the subject. If you want more pictures, you can see them here but read the blog entry first or else the pictures spoil the story :-) —WesHardaker

2011-05-03 19:32:26   Yours was a good compromise on BW, it just happens that the change left out the specific bit of information that taught me something. —TomGarberson

2011-05-04 13:52:23   Definitely true. I know you're browsing by phone, so if it's inconvenient, no rush—but do you have a reference for ownership and operation being non-student? I know I've seen it, just distracted and not hunting around very thoroughly. —TomGarberson

2011-05-06 07:26:52   Good deal! —TomGarberson

2011-05-06 09:38:04   That duck does look yum. —TomGarberson

2011-05-07 18:32:42   Nice to finally get to talk to you in person! —StevenDaubert

2011-05-09 08:20:05   I am sure I could, it is just not something I want to do commercially. I usually will make them for friends. —DagonJones

2011-05-09 10:16:48   So I put those photos up of my costume teeth because you mentioned SCA and I thought you would look good in armor, braided beard, with a set of orc teeth and a battle axe. (I know it goes against historical accuracy but its great for a fantasy setting). —DagonJones

2011-05-09 13:32:52   Thanks, Cuz. It was good to meet you. I wonder what happened with Covert Professor and the t.v.. Since I'm making this note, could you tell me if a page can be named with quotation marks. It looked like I could, but it wouldn't let me. —BruceHansen

2011-05-11 11:41:47   can't save blank pages

bleh —StevenDaubert

2011-05-12 13:49:04   Damn, so much for my plot to take over the wiki one insidious edit at a time. —TomGarberson

2011-05-12 14:25:50   Hahahahahaha! Pure gold! —TomGarberson

2011-05-12 19:52:34   this is where your unintended link came from. WilliamLewis

2011-05-15 21:56:35   I will not interact with William. Make him stop, please. You can contact me off-Wiki if you want to discuss this further. William is a detriment to the Davis Wiki. —DonShor

2011-05-15 22:26:24   "There is nothing to be decided here. The page must go. Disagree at your own peril. It's your time to waste." It is my understanding that the Davis Wiki is governed by a collaborative process of editors working together. Anyone who makes statements such as I have just quoted is not working with other editors. He is acting by fiat, and imperiously reverting anyone who disagrees with him. He then insults the other editors, repeatedly, and continues to revert. That is not acceptable behavior on the Davis Wiki. William has done this so many times, it is beyond an aberration. It is long past time for him to be removed from the Davis Wiki. —DonShor

You know, if you're going to quote me, at least provide the context so people know what I actually said. What preceded your quote of me is as follows: "If you want to argue about this and revert it back, fine. It's just going to be Bruce not getting it while tons of people try to explain why this page does not and never will work. I'm tired of these things going on and people talking the issue to death." The point I'm stating: this has gone on for months. Nobody but Bruce knows what's going on with the page. There are many irreparable flaws with the entire idea of the page pointed out by different people. Further discussion is pointless. Not that I'm going to shut it down if it occurs (nor could I, even if I wanted to), but I'm pointing out the obvious at this point that there is nothing more to say. I deleted the page, for which there is more than enough community support to do so, as a way to bring this issue to a close with less mess.

I do not "act by fiat" or operate under the assumption that I "own the wiki." I abide by community consensus where it exists, even if I think the result is undesirable or inconsistent with how the wiki has operated in the past. I'm not going to go back and analyze all of my reversions I've made on this wiki and others (there are close to 2000), but I can tell you now that they fall into several broad categories. Most of my reversions are undoing spam or other edits that are undisputedly abuse. Another large category or reversions are to undo things that perhaps could be argued, but are abuse under current wiki norms. For example, removing supported critical content or adding obvious astroturfing are against wiki norms, but the wiki has found this appropriate in some situations. Sometimes I've done these reversions while discussion of the content is ongoing because the current state of the page is unacceptable under current community standards. I've never engaged in reversions when the community consensus has dictated an outcome different from the one I advocated for.

It's ironic that you accuse me of not working with the community when you yourself openly refuse to engage with me in any way. I'm perfectly willing to work with you and I always have. It's time to get over your grudge, Don. That means no more ad hominem reversions restoring indefensible content simply because you don't like the way I work. It also means you have to be willing to discuss things with me and respond to my messages instead of deleting them without even a response.

I am puzzled by your comment that I insult other editors. I am careful to attack arguments, actions, and alleged statements of fact, not people. I'm sure I've let a few drop here and there over the course of my nearly 10,000 edits, but those have been aimed at spammers, vandals, and editors like Ostrowski who were simply acting ridiculous. I would appreciate it if you would clarify and provide examples of insults that I've thrown, be they in the categories I've named (which I find acceptable, sorry) or otherwise. —WilliamLewis

2011-05-15 23:28:10   I think the thing about "station" is less about the page than it really is about confusion over wiki usage. Or to put it in the bet way, a unique perspective? An alternate vision? I think several people have noticed that a lot of his edits focus on the wiki specifically. Especeially regarding links. I remember some thing a few months back where people said a page was more appropriate for a "daviswiki wiki". —EdWins

2011-05-15 23:34:42   Hate this smartphone, comment attempt 4. Base issue IMO is that he's trying to smooth the wiki out, and increase interwiki links with colored commentary/prose/poems depending on the page. Everyone else sees it as useless packing material. Unneeded filler that takes space, does add interlinking but takes away and likely complicates searches as you end on a page of random fluff —EdWins

2011-05-15 23:39:30   Practical problem is difficulty communicating this. I've seen a lot of talk pages, and one of the more common replies is always "didn't read it / need to think on it / (my fav) no time to comment or elaborate right now." Clearly good intent in his edits I think, although I reaslky really wish he'd refocus. Agree w your attempts to give him some reign to try freely. Caveat is as mentioned, this is a repeated theme —EdWins

2011-05-16 09:19:59   Yeah, I saw that right after adding it. Typical :P —TomGarberson

2011-05-18 12:12:33   You're such a commie. He's just trying to keep it real and tell it like it is! —TomGarberson

2011-05-18 12:36:33   I thought about defending it, but looked at the version before the delete and went: "tl;dr." —hankim

2011-05-18 13:20:39   Sorry for creating the Talk page! Wasn't sure if I could make that unilateral decision, next time I will. —MeggoWaffle

2011-05-18 18:02:53   You are quick. Thanks! —MeggoWaffle

2011-05-19 13:07:22   Ha I was gonna add that but we really don't need another talk page, we just need Mr. Allen to look at his user page. Or the welcome for business owners. —JoePomidor

2011-05-19 13:26:27   roflmao well that's what I get for doing this at work in my plant path lab >_< —OliviaY

2011-05-19 14:45:16   OK, sure. What am I waiting for, before coming back? —JoePomidor

2011-05-19 15:13:52   your comments for a "positive community site" leave much to be desired to be effective at bolstering a positive business enviroment locally. Too much negativity to be positive, maybe that's one reason small business or business in general does not like Davis... —PhilAllen

2011-05-19 22:22:26   Yes, I discovered that myself a few weeks ago — just thought I'd give them a second visit before writing it up. Good idea to note the proximity to Toad Hollow, though. —CovertProfessor

2011-05-21 09:42:33   HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHATomGarberson

2011-05-22 20:14:04   Thanks, bored.


2011-05-23 10:30:48   Hahahaha that's amazing! <3 —TomGarberson

2011-05-23 21:16:07   Don't send me penises, I ain't gay, asshole! What the hell is this, some kind of homosexual indoctrination camp? Nazi communist bastards —LoshJawson

2011-05-23 21:22:32   Stop undoing my shit! I'm just keeping it real you know you're all a bunch of pseudointellectual assholes who hate real business people who just want to work and make a living. —LoshJawson

2011-05-26 14:37:55   Hello, you left a comment for me about my ridiculous smeagles beagles page, and I was afraid you may have thought the description I put in there was directed at you. That was just a random blurb I put in to test, and was not at all directed for you! So sorry if it caused any confusion! I didn't even realize you had commented until much much later. Apologies again. Is the page gully deleted now? —BethPavoni

2011-05-26 21:45:51   Then again Android have legit commercials, unlike the iPhone. —NikhilDahal

2011-05-26 21:46:39   You ever got prankcalled before from a disgruntled wiki-er?haha —NikhilDahal

2011-05-26 22:54:23   You are the definition of a Wiki-Star. —NikhilDahal

2011-05-26 22:54:51   As in you help out fellow-Wikiers —NikhilDahal

2011-05-28 23:02:32   Perhaps a talk page should be made about the Davis Athletic Club and their "green" project.


2011-05-30 21:09:06   Long holiday weekend + lots of family = punchiness. Feel free to delete. :-) —CovertProfessor

2011-05-31 18:48:25   Once upon a time they were. Nope, but I'm enjoying it. Hoping to be a more active member in the immediate to distant future. —Juan-PauloVarela

2011-05-31 23:14:10   You posted: The "love" is their reaction, which, in this case, leads to a rather horrible end result. Saying they hate bread implies they will ignore or avoid it if you toss some their way.

Human beings are influenced by interest (per Ben Franklin) and animals are influenced by instinct. I think you are confusing "love" and "hate" as we humans use it. These ducks are birds and they eat bread due to instinct, not love. I wrote that they hate bread because they will die (a) from choking on the bread, (b) will die after the bread impacts their crops, or (c) will get sick and then die from predation. The term you are looking for is commonly known as cognitive dissonance — but these are ducks, not humans. —jasoncw

2011-06-01 13:22:41   How do you add video to the Daviswiki, is there a special code for it ? —ElizabethBarthel

2011-06-02 13:26:23   Yeah, I was a bit torn between bears — I could have gone either way. But I just couldn't bea... (no, must not make bad puns! must not!!) —CovertProfessor

2011-06-02 17:46:48   The Davis Enterprise reported on Thursday June 2, 2011 about another door to door fundraiser scam, this time, the scammers are claiming to donate the stuff you give them to the UC Davis Children's Hospital. —NikhilDahal

2011-06-02 18:50:16   Mmm, sounds so good right now. I've got a Pyramid groupon sitting on my desk at work, just 6 blocks from the brewery... too bad I'm pet sitting right now. —TomGarberson

2011-06-02 19:10:35   Yeah man thanks for doing that. —NikhilDahal

2011-06-03 00:20:55   There's not billions of websites for Locally Owned Websites. "Locally Based" is unclear... —BruceHansen

2011-06-03 15:51:24   Thanks for the wisdom teeth advice/well wishes. My very patient beau will be chauffeuring me there and back and catering to my needs for a few days =) —MeggoWaffle

2011-06-03 16:02:27   I guess other people react badly to the anesthesia. For me I felt like I just had an amazing nap and was pretty alert right after waking up. —hankim

2011-06-04 10:29:56   All good things must come to an end, it seems. —CovertProfessor

2011-06-04 12:59:59   It appears that you moving my comment up to the top of the con artist page helped a local Davis-ite, and a fellow wiki-er avoid being scammed, good teamwork JabberWokky. —NikhilDahal

2011-06-04 17:02:07   I agree — I moved it. —CovertProfessor

2011-06-04 22:50:02   I can't edit anything on the Dixon Wiki. There's a message that says I'm not allowed to edit. I tried to edit my user page to see if that would make a difference, but I couldn't do that either. What should it do? —BruceHansen I did two edits on 6/1.

2011-06-04 23:46:28   Thanks. That was a boo boo confusing with Winters. I don't know if I ever edited Dixon. A while ago Jason asked me for administrative access to one of them since I had created that wiki. It denied me access, so I couldn't help him. —BruceHansen When can you do that?

2011-06-04 23:46:36   Alas, only birds really have that. —CovertProfessor

2011-06-05 00:01:25   Un ban me. —BruceHansen

2011-06-05 00:14:53   Thanks. Maybe we'll find out what happened. —BruceHansen

2011-06-05 09:34:12   I agree, it's a bit hard to characterize. I've done more reading about the trendy food trucks than seen them, but I know they are out there. I think a lot of them are sprouting up in SF. —CovertProfessor

2011-06-05 17:14:31   True that thanks again man. I'm gonna add the con artist page onto the Davis issues column on the front page, or would that be going overboard? —NikhilDahal

2011-06-05 17:28:57   I added the con artist and took off crying girl con artist, because her link is pretty much on the top of the page of con artists page —NikhilDahal

2011-06-06 12:35:10   PLEASE leave the craft of fo' paws as I put it. Unless you know what is going on, you are helping to do what you don't want to do. The formal & legal name of the business is "The Craft of Fo' Paws / Fo' Paws Pet Grooming". As for the location, TBD = to be decided or better known as in the progress of reopening. Did you not read my last note of our expected grand opening date of 6/30/11?, I also said then I believe, that we would be announcing the new location before then. Right now, we are doing by appointment only as an in home service while our new shop is being finished. Davis building codes are quite strict and can oft prevent a business from relocating or starting up for up to 90 days depending upon the situation. So Please leave things as I have them, or atleast be civil enough to ask be email on things... —PhilAllen

2011-06-07 12:35:46   I jumped in while you were on a roll; I was just adding 2011 and didn't notice the June vs July thing oddly.


2011-06-07 15:29:54   Yeah, I could talk your ear off about that one. I think there has been a very unhealthy shift in the last 20 years or so from college students thinking of themselves as adults to college students thinking of themselves... not as children, of course (I was being a bit over the top) but as "guys" and "girls" who are not quite yet adults. That's not to say that students of >20 years ago were any more responsible — they weren't. But there was some recognition that they should be trying to get their act together. And I am really just baffled about the "old man" stuff. Students are more insular at UCD than I thought (and I only date frat guys?? pardon me while I throw up). At other universities, students who are not 18-22 are more common, and throughout history, women in their early 20s have been involved with men in their 30s. You make a fair point about the leap to "sexual predator" but I question the first step in the chain altogether! Glad to hear that I am not losing my mind, or at least that I have company. —CovertProfessor

  • "at least I have company" — old people stick together. <.< Kidding aside, there's an undergrad researcher in my lab in a fraternity. Me and my buddy were teasing him about us showing up to his next frat party, because he was trying to invite a girl from the lab next door. We're 26 and 27. He told us we'd be the creepy old guys that scare girls away from frat parties.... We told him we're old and not single, so that's the point, more drinks for us :) Anyway it's not just a UCD thing, we're down at UCLA. -ES
    • Heh... Point taken. But back in my day, we had "old folks" show up at our parties all the time. Really, it was no big deal. I wonder what has changed? —cp
      • Same here. Same question. -jw
        • Stranger danger, college students becoming more elitist, children being babied more and for longer, Mr. Rogers... basically how my generation was raised. —hankim
          • I'll note that kids living with their parents into their 30s was an unthinkable situation when I was 17. There's an odd new phase in that age range now. -jw
            • But seriously, when I was living in the dorm, people would come to me all the time to help with their ties and a girl even asked me how to wash and dry her delicates in the laundry room. I guess I gave off some kind of homemaker vibe? My generation is a bit sheltered. —hankim

2011-06-07 16:34:36   Thank you, dear Jabberwokky. It's been a blast! —BrookeB

2011-06-07 19:50:30   Thanks, I wish i was a patient as you :) —jsbmeb

2011-06-07 20:01:54   true that. Thats why I usually sit back and observe the drama. :) I just happened to be there getting my taste of controversy...lets hope this one burns out like you said! —jsbmeb

2011-06-07 20:17:31   WOW we got a jokester here! I was thinking about "how long does it take DavisWiki-ers to screw in a lightbulb" - 45 days, 44 of those days are spent editing a lightbulb page and changing how many kWh the lightbulbs are

I think I win haha^^^NikhilDahal

2011-06-07 21:00:13   I wish I understood that :-/ —NikhilDahal

2011-06-07 21:03:38   So I was pumping some iron and being my usual savage self at the gym today and realized why some girls could find a person over thirty at a bar creepy. After working in a bar for several weeks, I started recognizing some of the creepers who come every week who rarely buy a drink and basically stand around the dance floor staring at chicks in a ridiculously creepy manner. Seriously, to the point that I would tell them to "GTFO" if I had a loved one in the bar. Of course, the main reason I recognize them is that they are usually cheapskates and always try to avoid paying the cover. And of course, there are plenty of guys over thirty who come to the bar to enjoy a few drinks (sometimes even with their significant others) and not be creepy. And there's even this one really cool dude who is much older than the regular crowd but comes almost everyday, enjoys a few very large beers, and actually has fun on the dance floor without giving off any creepy vibe at all. But a lot of the regular older guys I tend to notice do give off a creepy vibe, at least at the bar I work. —hankim

2011-06-07 22:19:16   creepy is different person by person. and btw how do you make a wiki page? im trynna make one for jokes —NikhilDahal

2011-06-07 22:33:25   thanks man, now i gotta figure out how to upload pictures and i'll be officially a "chief editor at the Davis Wiki" —NikhilDahal

2011-06-07 23:20:19   Yes, I agree — very nicely done and gets to the heart of things.

It also shows that people who want to say "eww, 30 year olds in a fraternity" are assuming it's *that* kind of fraternity. Even if one buys into that kind of thinking (and you know I don't) there are a lot of different sorts of fraternities, some of which might more comfortably fit "older" students than others.

By the way, love your earlier comment on my page. I came back to late to see what specifically prompted it, but I can guess. —CovertProfessor

2011-06-07 23:27:44   June 8th is National Name Your Poison Day. —hankim

2011-06-07 23:42:43   Following now, but I said it after looking at the no logo for today thingy on the Featured Page thingy. —hankim

2011-06-08 15:14:31   I think the U.S. is now caught up with the Brits. I didn't see IT coming at all, so I am impressed that you did. And yes, Rory has really developed into a cool character. But you didn't answer the question — what do you think of #11? —CovertProfessor

2011-06-09 16:00:14   I know. I just don't like communicating on the phone with agitated, angry and potentially violent males. In my experience they don't respond well to women. —OliviaY

2011-06-09 17:03:12   Seems like this + chip on shoulder + reactive personality = today's events. —CovertProfessor

2011-06-09 17:12:58   But I "asked the gentleman to either leave the women who spoke to me alone or to leave the premises" and "He did have a spiderweb tattoo and did look to be in his early 30's" are both directed at the person in question, not .44. Moreover, he suggests "restore the comments and let it be." Finally, if the person in question is a vet, he might easily think that "stop acting like degenerate imbeciles and making the military which I also served in look like a idiot factory" was directed at him. I am not defending the reaction, mind you, but I see where the demand for an apology is coming from (i.e., not from thin air, and not *entirely* from a misunderstanding). —CovertProfessor

2011-06-09 17:29:32   Yeah, I just think that "subtle" distinction (talking about .44, not Randy) won't make a difference given the other comments and given that the guy is a vet. —CovertProfessor

2011-06-09 18:17:10   I agree with CP. I don't think he's acting completely irrational- he does have some reason to be offended. That being said, I don't think he should be acting that way, but I do feel an obligation to stick up for him. —DylanSchaefer

2011-06-10 19:03:11   Ah, I was wondering what you meant. Sorry to complicate things. —CovertProfessor

2011-06-11 15:52:06   Hi, I am a Red 88 employee and new to the Wiki and I am trying to upload some new menu's onto the Red 88 Noodle Bar page, near the existing to-go menu. And I have hit a wall because I am unable to convert .pdf to jpg. I was hoping you could give me a hand, NikhilDahal was trying to help, but he was unable to either, and he recommended your help.

Thank you for any and all help, JodyD —JodyD

2011-06-11 22:02:42   Happy anniversary! —CovertProfessor

2011-06-12 01:02:19   Mega booo on waiting for "late summer." —EdWins

2011-06-12 15:46:20   If there's no rush, I'll post it in a couple days after the newspaper has had a chance to publish an updated and more accurate story that makes it clear it was Provenza's fault. There are already people attacking my credibility in that comments section and I don't know if I have the energy to defend myself over here, too. Apparently speaking to the reporting officer and the person who was actually hit is not as good as a published article based on a three-minute call to a PD spokesperson who wasn't even at the scene. —MeggoWaffle

2011-06-14 20:43:00   Of all the wiki drama, I either laugh at it, or just say "wait WHAT?" haha. I am probably going to take pictures of the new KetMoRee menu this week and hopefully you can tell me how to upload it, or if JodyD has figured it out, but I plan on putting an updated menu up. —NikhilDahal

2011-06-15 12:19:44   I personally think they are useful and would not mind if they were at more gyms because I think they would be better for rows than dumbbells are (you can do much more with them, but I have not had too much experience with them, basically rows and lateral raises). I only tried a few lifts with them some time ago somewhere and there was a huge difference in my lifts thanks to the distribution of the weight. Unfortunately, not too many gyms stock them. —hankim

2011-06-15 13:13:56   I thought we originally were making the Fo Paws page a history page until he said that was inaccurate citing some charges he filed when according to the city's website, the license expired. Anyway, I have not had too much experience with kettlebells, but they should be quite useful for fencing with real weapons:

The article discusses how martial artists prefer kettlebells to train how to absorb shock better. —hankim

2011-06-15 13:19:18   Hey...I discovered Axe Throwing at our most recent event. I can't throw overhand forwards but I tried it backwards and scored 3 hits in 5 tries. I am competing at PAX on 7/9 —PeterBoulay

2011-06-17 12:40:54   Wait, so am I able to post stuff like "live jazz" and "dolanc string quartet" at KetMoRee this Sunday/Thursday etc etc. on the "events board" Or would that be considered advertising? (just trynna play it safe here) —NikhilDahal

2011-06-19 01:39:13   yeahhh s-k is my favorite band! and yes, portlandia is funny stuff. i enjoyed that farm-raised chicken episode, hehe. also saw carrie's new band wild flag in sac back in november! :-) —JenniferGiang

2011-06-21 13:22:19   wat...

I don't understand —StevenDaubert

2011-06-21 15:54:27   but I dl'ed it off wiki, changed the name and the extension

re uploaded it, and it changed back......

or at least I could have sworn that is what occured

it's probably user error in both instances >__>StevenDaubert

2011-06-21 15:54:55   I used the replace function as well —StevenDaubert

2011-06-21 16:05:59   Here:

2011-06-21 16:17:49   Heh. All rumor and innuendo, yes. —CovertProfessor

2011-06-23 23:01:04   Glad you like the Yolo Fruit Stand pics. =) Happened to be there for the first time recently and thought I snap a few shots for the wiki in case there weren't any...and there weren't. =)


2011-06-24 08:55:32   I agree that the DW is about D, not the DW, but since the DW is a part of D, it seems to me that it makes sense to compare one similar thing in D to another, in the same way we might compare two D restaurants to each other. —CovertProfessor

2011-06-24 11:48:54   I thought the culminating point was, "They have a free app for easy mobile access."

But if you really don't like it there, I won't argue about it, even though I think it's perfectly legitimate. —CovertProfessor

2011-06-24 13:34:36   Yeah, fair enough. I was thinking that pointing out that the DW was non-profit *would* show the difference, but you're probably right that merely saying that is not enough, and that the fact that comparison was being made at all might falsely imply more similarities than differences. —CovertProfessor

2011-06-25 09:34:51   My evil eye is not so easily warded against! —CovertProfessor

2011-06-25 19:12:34   Changing hours on a business that doesn't have an address what the hell is this,wise up! —Theangrydiner

2011-06-26 14:14:13   thnx just wanted to get it up asap —OliviaY

2011-06-28 19:32:10   The big ones still frighten me more. Plus trees that can kill people:

2011-07-01 11:38:22   Oh, you've opened up a can of wooms...

2011-07-01 11:57:11   I don't know how to restore The Craft of Fo' Paws to the Davis Wiki, and yet leave it on the Woodland one as well. I think that is the best answer at this time. —DonShor

2011-07-01 13:08:30   hey JabberWokky i logged onto my wiki, and it was saying that i had the wrong passowrd? but i am clearly logged on, i dont know if it is a glitch or what. —NikhilDahal

  • i took a picture of it from my iphone as well

2011-07-04 16:27:07   Thanks for the comments. I actually do enjoy a heated debate. It's just that I'm working pretty hard every day to keep the Asperger's in check and remain civilized. As to the surplus store, I would *love* to see it. Back in my youth, I went to Army missile school at Redstone Arsenal, Al. On the same reservation was the Marshall Space Flight Center. I made friends with the guy that ran the electronics crafts shop and we would go out to the NASA salvage yard every couple of weeks for "supplies". It was really amazing. Stuff like Hawk missiles, inertial guidance systems, Jupiter rockets, all strewn over a few acres and we could take anything we could carry away. So yeah, I love a good surplus store. —JimStewart

2011-07-05 09:13:50   What about adoptive parents? They haven't done any squirting either. Nor have any of the fathers, for that matter... —CovertProfessor

  • What are you talking about? Fathers had to have done some kind of squirting at some point. —hankim
    • :-) Some squirts are a lot easier than others. —cp

2011-07-05 10:47:20   Fair enough. I guess I would put the same point differently — that a good parent recognizes the needs of their child, and doesn't treat them as though they are a different species than they are. —CovertProfessor

2011-07-05 11:21:26   Ah, whereas my dog likes to do his daytime sleeping snuggled up against me or at least in my general vicinity. His choice, not mine, though I can't say that I object. :-) I think one difference between dogs and other non-human species is that dogs have evolved to live with humans. —CovertProfessor

2011-07-05 12:07:35   MOMMY! The mean man won't play nice again! Time to lock the pages? —hankim

2011-07-05 12:12:56   Yes please, let's settle on a reasonable amount of info and lock all the Fo pages! —Davidlm

2011-07-05 16:14:55   +1 for best edit I've seen in at least a month. —JoePomidor

2011-07-05 16:19:00   Yeah, there are a lot of ins-and-outs to the whole thing. I think I might have a slightly better grasp of it than most, just because I used to be a regular Fo' Paws customer, met Terri M back then, and saw the business change to CoFP after Charlene died. It really did exist — it really was a business grooming dogs, first in the old Fo' Paws location and then in the rockyard at the Ace. So, it's all pretty clear in my head — well, all except for PA's conflicting claims. I think I will take a shot at restoring the CoFP page and see how it goes. —CovertProfessor

2011-07-06 00:50:03   I figured. Though on the flipside, I have a problem with people who don't see their pets as family members. It allows them to justify leaving them behind when moving, getting rid of them when vet bills get high, throwing them out when they get bored with them/have human children/any other random reason. One of my rabbits was left behind in a house I rented, the other was dumped in the wild and caught as a stray. I WISH those people had seen themselves as parents. —MeggoWaffle

2011-07-06 09:47:02   Yeah, I know exactly what you're saying and what you mean. I guess my posting rationale is on a part of what you just said. No matter which way we dice the issue and whether we do or do not read what Phil Allen says, we come back to "At the bare minimum a business called "Craft of Fo' Paws" operated out of ACE Hardware, and should be on the wiki for that." (Don't forget to toss on though, that even ignoring PA's claims, CP, a long-time editor and user of their services vouches they operated out of the Fo'Paws location - which in my eyes, only strengthens the argument against deleting it as non-Davis relevant). —EdWins

2011-07-06 09:55:23   I don't want to derail your convo with CP on my page, but also, I see what you mean now. I think I need to specify: I've not argued over what CONTENT on a wiki page for this business is appropriate. My recent comments and agreements are about WHETHER a wiki page for this business is appropriate. A wiki page should exist; what it should say, I've not provided input. Not the nicest thing to do, I guess, but I thought CP's version of the page edit seemed fair? —EdWins

2011-07-08 20:10:49   I knew if I got the info up somebody would come along and make it pretty :) —Davidlm

2011-07-09 01:16:21   For a while I thought MaxLucas was the only editor on the Wiki..

I want this phony health inspector to make his rounds to KetMo...Lol I'll chase that person out! —NikhilDahal

2011-07-09 16:03:52   "We must keep as our goal turning away from production for war and expanding production for peace" was the part that perplexed me. —DonShor

2011-07-09 16:52:34   I am an old man. Thus I use copy and paste. Just as I did on my Mac Classic. Change. Bah. —DonShor

2011-07-09 21:58:22   So... can you explain what "davisness" is? —MichaelNielsen

2011-07-10 17:01:49   I must disagree with you, this ship of fools has targeted the community and the business community. They should go down with their captain "P.A." It'll just fester back up and we'll all be threatened again, kill it forever. Just kill it, now! —Theangrydiner

2011-07-10 17:22:16   Thanks for the reality check, I totally agree with you, lets just hope it stays in check, thanks JW. —Theangrydiner

2011-07-11 17:29:26   Jabberwokky!! I saw what you posted for me before a long time ago and it meant a lot to me. I hope you are well. In this life, there is often so much conflict, but I've always admired the spirit of understanding and compassion that you've shown to everyone on here. —ScottMeehleib

2011-07-11 17:34:15   ... and I really don't mean that lightly. What I see from you are basically continuous acts of love. —ScottMeehleib

2011-07-14 19:04:35   Hi evan can you update woodland wiki? it needs a fix. —Theangrydiner

2011-07-15 00:20:17   Hi JabberWokky, Do you know much about the Yelp? The other day a couple came into KetMoRee and asked for the Free Thai Iced Tea Monday deal on Yelp, however KetMoRee stopped that as of late May. I was wondering if you knew how that can be taken off? Any help would be appreciated. —NikhilDahal

2011-07-15 10:06:25   How do you think t his can be integrated? very cool science, but I hate that page. —EdWins

2011-07-15 11:32:05   I haven't kept it a secret that my PhD work is based on infectious diseases, and after working at the VMTH, my undergrad research was with a vectorborne disease lab in CVEC. I think I might be one of the only people on the wiki that had a lot of access to the actual research animals, with hands on experience (or inside knowledge of other labs experiments). Worked with mice, guinea pigs, and dogs. Always felt uncomfortable editing the related pages on the wiki, either about the science or about the buildings/locations themselves, except for one recent case on a talk page. —EdWins

2011-07-20 12:49:47   The WIKI's so boring these days! :)


2011-07-21 11:39:41   is it just me or is the wiki a tad bit slow serving pages like boomarks and rc recently? —StevenDaubert

2011-07-29 18:17:17   Hi Evan, hate to ruin your friday, check out the consumers guide of woodland, phone #530-666-7799. Page 9, top right hand corner. "The return of Fo Paws pet grooming" Owner Terri Martinez. Does this indicate that there isn't a Craft of Fo Paws anywhere? Thanks Jabber. —Theangrydiner


2011-07-31 09:20:28   Sorry I misunderstand and didn't see at first what "mv'ed meant. —BruceHansen

2011-07-31 22:05:40   Initially it seemed like "my ed" and I didn't see that you had moved it since I didn't scroll down. Normally I don't need to scroll down to see additions. I shortly after that saw what you explained and made my comment (but after I had made another edit). —BruceHansen

2011-08-02 12:21:13   Hehe. Thank you for the tip. =D —kkha91

2011-08-02 20:08:08   I'm not doing this to promot my business. These people stole a space in the Westlake Shopping center that I was looking at. This location is in my back yard right next door to me. It had been vacatant for years and I was planning on opening my store in that location in Octoeber. Now because of these people I've had to change my plans. When I found out that they had taken that spot, I wasn't pleased to say the least. I don't want these people in my back yard taking business away from me. I don't want to be spending money for my business and they benefit becasue people think that I'm in the shoping center when I'm in the apartment complex behind the shopping center. There is only room for one computer repair shop and it isn't theirs. Now that they are there the leasing agent isn't likely to let me in the shopping center because they already have a computer repair shop. This has totally ruined my plans that I had. To really put it bluntly I'm pissed off.

As far as Davis Wiki is concerned it pales in as far as the marketing materials that I have that I'm going to unlease. I've written Davis Wiki a long time ago. It doesn't do anythihng for me at all and I've moved on to things that work a whole lot better for me. —ToddJames

  • Todd—I am sorry you have had business issues with them but your conflict with them has NOTHING to do with the Wiki nor is the Wiki the place to go after them. S&S will be respected on this Wiki. Your continual vandalization of their page/listing—to be honest—really puts YOU in a poor light. Please leave the Wiki out of your concern with them. -PeterBoulay

2011-08-02 21:28:00   You guys don't seem to have any simpathy for my situation. You only talk about your precious Wiki, but don't ever address what I've said about my problem that this is causing me. This is has been really bothering me and I spend nigths in bed thinking about this. —ToddJames

  • Todd-We have expressed our concerns over your situation but there is nothing the Wiki can do about it. As Tom said you need to address it properly which would be via the Westlake Leasing folks—not on the Wiki. —PeterBoulay

2011-08-04 10:25:23   What is it with computer kids? O.o —EdWins

2011-08-04 17:11:21   And yet, we don't seem to be catching his/her attention with our messages. :/ How's that software coming along? —CovertProfessor

2011-08-08 11:26:05   Opinion, please. Gunmetal vs white and why? —EdWins

2011-08-08 12:09:36   I sold my old scooter, and was going to either get Genuine's Buddy 170 (which are new, up til now they had the 150s) or Genuine's Blur 220i. I think the Blur will be more fun of a ride, and it compromises with the lady about me not having my motorcycle. (As if a 75mph capable scooter is safer? <.<). Only thing now is trying to pick a color. Problem is, the more you dwell on it, the more pros and cons for each you come up with! Ugh. One good argument I heard for white was I'm more likely to be mistaken for a motorcycle cop from a distance, hehe. —EdWins

2011-08-08 12:10:24   I like gunmetal, aesthetically, but white is a bit more visible and bold. The panels also retain less heat when left out in the sun. First world problems, eh? —EdWins

2011-08-11 15:37:01   Bahahahahaha!!! Now, *that* would be newsworthy! —CovertProfessor

2011-08-12 16:23:53   Concerning the deletion of my town character pages, I'll just note that the creation of the pages was fully in accord with the wiki ethics page. Their deletion was not. The ethics page should be the first go-to for anyone questioning content. Their justification for deletion should be justified based on a conflict of community ethics, not their personal viewpoint. If they feel that the ethics page is lacking, let them argue for a change there first. That said, I feel like I'm preaching to the choir. —JimStewart

  • Did you have permission from those people? If so, your entries should be reinstated. -SM

Yeah, this. The polite way to answer the question of who these people are is to ask them and go from there. -NickSchmalenberger

We do not need nor should we regularly ask for permission to write about ANYTHING of public interest on this wiki. That we ever need to is a poisonous idea. —wl

Maybe you have never been misunderstood by others and felt helpless about it. Sorry you don't understand. -NickSchmalenberger

2011-08-16 10:23:35   If the joke needs to remain a mystery, so be it. —BruceHansen

2011-08-16 13:25:11   HmmEdWins

2011-08-16 20:05:51   We had some brownouts about half hour ago, but no outage. Are you in Davis? —CovertProfessor

2011-08-16 20:09:10   I had heard you knew a person or two here. —CovertProfessor

2011-08-17 16:16:18   Rather, I think he is using exaggeration to make a point, as you and others have done many times. Reasonable people can disagree about whether the trike guy page is respectful, or over whether it and pages like it can be made respectful. ES's edits continue that conversation, whereas the deletion of the page seemed to close it off. I would not take Scott's page personally, and I certainly would not take it as being directed towards you. It's a disagreement about what is appropriate, not over what anyone's intents or efforts have been. —CovertProfessor

2011-08-17 16:39:37   See this? :P —EdWins

2011-08-17 16:51:04   Wait... I'm confused... what is the sarcastic edit that you regret? (I have certainly made plenty myself). As for the trike, why wouldn't it be a vehicle? Isn't any kind of conveyance a vehicle? Or are you thinking it's more like a wheelchair and that wheelchairs aren't vehicles? (and if not, why not?) —CovertProfessor

2011-08-17 16:53:20   If A Man Who Possesses But In No Way Is Defined By A Distinctive Odour isn't an exaggeration to try to make a point, I don't know what is. To me, it comes off as an exaggeratedly PC title for a page that people had concerns about, and to me, it makes fun of those concerns. Yet that page, and its title, have stayed. —CovertProfessor

2011-08-17 17:09:26   Some are adamantly against listing the page under unique vehicle rather than under town characters, however. —CovertProfessor

2011-08-17 18:19:28   Well, I think it's better. But I am not the one who is the most bothered by these entries. I imagine that NS and SM won't be thrilled. —CovertProfessor

2011-08-17 18:30:33   Yep, and I think I can guess which bit that is. It is definitely better than previous versions. Thank you. —CovertProfessor

2011-08-18 03:19:39   Was there eventually a consensus that the original approach to Visor Lady and the Midget Cop was bad? Why can't we apply that to these other pages earlier on? —NickSchmalenberger

2011-08-18 10:48:48   Mr. Dunning promoting the Vanguard! That would be a surprising twist!! Unless Bob Dunning and David Greenwald really are the same person... me!! Bwahahahahaha! —CovertProfessor

2011-08-18 13:29:53   are you the person who called me? —ABataska

2011-08-18 14:29:46   I left a vm for the director maybe she can shed some light on things? —StevenDaubert

2011-08-18 14:39:07   I just inquired as to what was going on and mentioned that she was brought up in the context of being concerned about info on the wiki and I was just wondering what is going on and the quickest way to find out is to ask...

morbid curiosity you know? —StevenDaubert

2011-08-19 18:39:56   I've been thinking about the last few days, and I'm sorry that I pissed you off and gave you the impression that you were an "unwashed beast", even if that was only your "exaggeration." I thought I had been fairly compromising on the issue, but certain people kept pushing me on it. I understood your point of view as far as the entries not all being malicious and I agreed that if I was the only one who found "town characters" more offensive than "local personalities", it should remain. I'm sorry if you thought that I don't try to see another's viewpoint, but I really do try. —ScottMeehleib

2011-08-19 18:45:55   If I wasn't compromising and really was a dick, I test you to name a single page that I've deleted. I don't think I ever have; nor even a large block of text even though many dicks here have deleted my shit with zeal. I'm not a fan of deleting shit. I get shit all the time, but I'm generally respectful of others' works. —ScottMeehleib

2011-08-19 19:04:52   Even if you hate me, i care about you. You are my brother in my brain whether you like it or not! —ScottMeehleib

2011-08-19 19:23:40   I know you have a lot of wisdom, and I've always respected that about you. I'm a fucking extremist and I've never enjoyed it. I state my opinions to the best of my ability while knowing that I could be wrong (at least partially). But man, my life has been hard, and I need good reason to change. :D —ScottMeehleib

2011-08-19 20:37:26   Thanks brah. Everything went smoothly although renting a U-Haul almost became problematic thanks to Stonegate Storage. Only have a few things here and there to move over. —hankim

2011-08-20 19:49:00   No apology necessary. I don't mean to dwell on it, but I want to add that it was wrong of me to frame the issue in the way I did. Looking back, I can see how I definitely made the pages out as more terrible than they actually are, and some are indeed quite positive. Anyway, that's all I had to say. Wiki on! —ScottMeehleib

2011-08-23 21:35:37   I loled. —hankim

2011-08-23 22:23:41   Yeah, but they just tease me, cutting me off for 45 minutes here and there. I need a really good blackout. —CovertProfessor

2011-08-26 07:36:43   Ha! Exactly. —CovertProfessor

2011-08-28 13:25:10   Thanks. I almost signed it as "from Bob Dunning" in the comment bar, just for you, but then a wiser mood prevailed. —CovertProfessor

2011-08-28 17:28:36   Frank's reviews are not directly related to the shop history. That is information about Frank which should be placed either in an article about Frank, or in an article about any barber shop at which Frank currently works. But not in an article specially about a new business which has replaced his own.

I agree that the history of the barber shop should be included, especially since it has been in operation for more than 50 years. However, that history should be limited to information about the barber shop and not to any specific barber or customer.

I also disagree about the length. In terms of plain text, those reviews you restored occupy more than half of the article. Is the focus of this article about the Olive Drive Barber Shop and its new owner, or is it about one of its former owners?


2011-08-29 02:04:35   I went ahead and moved back the older comments. I agree that the articles shouldn't merely be business listings. (Though I do tend to think of them that way a lot of the time.) —MattLow

2011-08-30 13:26:09   Thanks! I'm not sure about paws, but it causes respiratory illness and some sort of major liver problems. —MeggoWaffle

2011-08-30 16:12:13   Exactly, the phenols from pine and cedar. Mine don't live in a cage so they don't need bedding anyway, but I used to use Carefresh in their litter. —MeggoWaffle

2011-08-31 13:31:12   I guess I'll sit back and let him/her thrash it out for awhile. —CovertProfessor

2011-09-01 17:37:16   I hope so also. I have never tried their restaurant before.

Did you know on broadway blvd in Sacramento, there are 4 restaurants (queen of Sheba, taste of Thai, Katmandu kitchen, and a Vietnamese place[same one next to red88]) all on the same block, and they are all businesses in downtown Davis  —NikhilDahal

2011-09-04 00:40:48   No problem. I'm not sure, but maybe the confusion arose because there are multiple Bruces at Friendly Cab. If memory serves correctly, I think there are actually three Bruces working there, but Mr. Hansen more often goes by Art. Back when I first read Josh Lawson referring to Bruce by the name of Art, I even thought that the account was being used by multiple people. The multiple IP addresses don't exactly help the confusion either. On a vaguely related note, I've often wondered if the Friendly Cab work day is at all similar to the classic Monty Python Bruce skit: "So your name is not Bruce then?" "No, it's Michael." "That's going to cause a little confusion." —ScottMeehleib

2011-09-04 12:57:07   Hunh — cool! I'd never heard of it. —CovertProfessor

2011-09-05 21:39:59   Oops... sorry to give bad info. —CovertProfessor

2011-09-05 22:20:55   Yeah, this way is very unforgiving, in more sense than one. —CovertProfessor

2011-09-06 16:41:20   Thank you for the nice comment. I try to be as reasonable as possible; this usually does not work on clearly unreasonable people but one can only hope. Have a lovely day. —LoriOrf

2011-09-12 23:07:25   Cute! —CovertProfessor

2011-09-13 11:50:42   RE: users/ was deleted by WilliamLewis who claimed is "was an ad." This wiki was developed to provide an overview of a 25+ year resident of Davis, ( who is musical teacher, California Poet in the Schools, performing artist and personal coach. Whatever makes a wiki "an ad" is a mystery to me since I'm a newby. I/we endeavored to provide a comprehensive overview of Eve's musical past and capabilities, provided a "Comment" box for feedback and expect the page to be reverted w/suggestions and guidance to have it "conform." Summarily deleted a Davis wiki user's profile seems arbitrary without notice or other communication. Can you provide assistance without this getting too deep or tangled. We are open and willing to correct the page with appropriate guidelines (which I've searched for and can't seem to find). Other Davis musicians' pages have similar information. Eve's was just more highly developed and, perhaps, well-linked. WilliamLewis seems to be angry about this. —fknochenhauer

2011-09-13 13:17:11   Hey, thanks for assisting w/Eve's wiki. Just another day in the Davis sun. Once again, cooler heads prevail over ego and angst. Peace and joy. Grins - Fritz —fknochenhauer

2011-09-13 13:28:28   Eve West Bessier looks much better...nice work. —PeterBoulay

2011-09-13 13:33:33   I was actually in the process of renaming it but you beat me to the punch. —PeterBoulay

2011-09-13 22:57:47   RE: Eve West Bessier. Please review what hankim is posting and doing. Why?

Revert to version 30 (no reason to remove approved graphic & insert non-sensical links. ). fknochenhauer (No comment) hankim Revert to version 31 (This means war!). hankim Revert to version 30 (no reason to delete the picture). ChrisDietrich u mad? hankim Corrected link.. not San Fransisco but it is SFSU. Wes-P Eve's English degree is from SFSU not UC Davis - misleading to link otherwise fknochenhauer Revert to version 25 (No, it's not.). hankim —fknochenhauer

2011-09-13 23:42:02   just saw your reply to my comment on nowheremans page. thanks for the support. —ndah100

2011-09-14 02:59:03   On the contrary, I long ago said we should ban William Lewis. —DonShor

2011-09-14 08:00:42   Not to bring up old news, but if Losh and Josh are doing the same type of damage, then Josh should have been banned, period. Josh made countless edits abusive of other users (including posting personal information) AND the wiki. So I guess I just think, we didn't ban someone far worse, so why crack down now? I also don't know if Josh would particularly care that Losh is being mistaken for him. He hasn't been around for months, and honestly I don't think his reputation could get much worse anyway. Up until now, I had kind of assumed you guys knew who Losh was, and thought it was a long-time editor(s). I still think the latter is true. Maybe whoever it is will get the hint and only play the game with people who understand it. At this point I think a warning is much more appropriate. —MeggoWaffle

2011-09-14 09:25:26   I understand where you're coming from, but I still vote no =) —MeggoWaffle

2011-09-14 10:22:21   I remember that, but his civility was very short-lived. Overall I don't feel super strongly about the Losh thing, but probably because I'm less worried about it reflecting poorly on Josh than you are. Anyway I'm ducking out of the debate for now, need to stop procrastinating. —MeggoWaffle

2011-09-14 11:23:58   Evan, have you ever spoken to Josh personally? I know you reached out to me a long time ago over the whole Bizarro World thing and I also know that if you actually spoke to Josh and got to know him you might see him in a different light. I am no advocate for how he has handled himself from time to time but fully understand the points he is trying to make. He gts upset, as we all do, that the wiki gets very "cliqueish" and seems to be run by a "club" of members who make the majority of edits and corrections as if we are the "wiki-gods". We all feel like that from to time and when very few make the effort to contribute, especially on the level we do, we get burnt out as well. He just points in out in his own sometimes humorous, often offensive way. He's a well-meaning guy and long-time personal friend of mine but I agree with Meggowaffle... we never banned him and shouldn;t even consider banning another editor who has made an equal amount of positive changes as he has left negative impact such as WL. —Wes-P

2011-09-15 16:42:17   Do you think the ethno-centric discussion page should stay? I was getting the impression it could lead to some very hurtful discussions and truly don't want that on the wiki by any means. —Wes-P

2011-09-15 21:35:44   I agree that poverty and background add a whole nother level of complexity to these issues. But being successful doesn't prevent one from being subjected to racism or sexism. —CovertProfessor

2011-09-15 22:04:12   Agreed on all counts. —CovertProfessor

2011-09-17 11:58:29   could you take a look at the dan's cab meter photo and try and get it aligned with the other licensing info in an aesthetically pleasing manner. I tried for longer than I wanted to last night and then resolved to ask you...

thanks —StevenDaubert

2011-09-17 13:59:03   glorious —StevenDaubert

I am very thankful to both you and Daub for helping out with the permits and info on the cab pages. I see a few cabs have chimed in as well to offer the information. It makes it very easy to avoid a lot of drama... I think I will run a secret mission one of these nights (days for normal folk) to obtain images of these emblems and sticker placards in cabs... — Wes

2011-09-18 00:17:34   Hello, here is a link to the Sac Airport's list of authorized ground transportation providers. Just click on one of the AVI reports and you can then search for the company. Hope this helps. —MichaelJanzen

2011-09-18 00:18:05

2011-09-18 19:54:41   so once again I'm not %100 happy with how it turned out, I would like it with the lines a sentence each next to the resized photo (the way it was with more info added) But I couldn't figure out how to modify the || table to make it work how I envisioned it. And then I got sidetracked yelling at Wes for kicking over the sand castle I was building. But I would appreciate you taking another crack at that formatting. I hope that the new software is more intuitive when it comes to formatting like this cause it's a turn off to non wiki friendly / non code friendly folks —StevenDaubert

2011-09-18 22:44:12   re: community gardeners as a cult: I recommend Margaret Atwood's The Year of the Flood. :-) —CovertProfessor

2011-09-19 08:38:33   Oh, believe me, I know all too well what it's like to have a pile of books I hope to get to some day... it's just when you mentioned community gardening as a cult, I thought, "There's a book for that!" And yes, Oryx and Crake is good, too. —CovertProfessor

2011-09-19 14:13:33   I was about to make the Accepts Davis Dollars (BRB having you accept Davis Dollars for your service too) page too. —hankim

2011-09-19 14:17:42   I was about to create then conflicted with whatever you had so I figured someone else had the same idea and went with page linking instead. —hankim

2011-09-19 21:10:01   I'll admit that I was thinking that it was the Cult of the Sub Genius. I was thinking about it before I saw the Cult page, because I was thinking and was going to comment about what Bob said: that there should be more "slack" (I've forgotten the exact phrase at the moment.) with the restoral of some comments on the Friendly cab page. —BruceHansen

2011-09-20 12:40:44   Jabs-thx for the info —PeterBoulay

2011-09-20 14:40:04   On a random note, I'd like to say that I admire your optimism in many of the ways you treat issues. I'm a pessimist, but I'd like to meet you halfway, down by the borderline. Thanks for being you. —ScottMeehleib

2011-09-20 22:18:51   Thanks for your insights, JW! —ScottMeehleib

2011-09-21 15:59:33   I'm only mean because they obviously came on the Wiki to spread their ideas of killing poor people, corrupting our children by legalizing drugs, turning civilized society in the Wild West by legalizing guns, and being unpatriotic by not supporting the war. —hankim

2011-09-24 10:35:03   Weird... this edit isn't showing up in Recent Changes? —CovertProfessor

  • Oh, figures it would show up *now.* But it took quite awhile (about 5 mins). Weird. —cp

2011-09-24 12:49:53   Ah, ok, thanks. Somehow I'd never run into (or noticed) it before! —CovertProfessor

2011-09-24 12:58:35   It's those pesky computer gremlins again. —CovertProfessor

2011-09-24 13:12:53   Ha! And I just had the most amazing Lamppost Pizza at Woodstock's. What's funny is that she got the name completely correct on the comment itself. *shakes head* —CovertProfessor

2011-09-26 01:51:33   She is like me, and if it takes her number being on the net for this to be settled, she'd be for it. She has been informed of what is going on and we'll see if she responds for herself or not soon enough. I really hope she does, but for me, I think I need to back off a bit and chill out because I am just getting to that special point of Wiki frustration at the moment. —Wes-P

2011-09-26 02:01:52   Actually, yes. If you could remove the number from the history that would be awesome. I would rather have them email for the contact info so I can weed out the crackpots. You are more than welcome to communicate with her if you wish, as is CP. —Wes-P

2011-09-26 02:39:35

and the printer page


2011-10-01 17:33:46   Hey Evan, I just need to remove myself for a little bit. Lets let the Ban William page die. Its been a frustrating weekend and I want off the merry-go-round for a while. —jefftolentino

2011-10-01 23:42:47   When Don stops supporting what? I can't quite follow the discussion with Jeff. —DonShor

2011-10-02 16:22:36   Ok, thanks for the clarification. Yes, I support banning William. I believe jeff was treated badly. I'm also not thrilled with a talk page discussion comment which begins "Yet again, you're proposing...." Likewise, I'm not thrilled with the passive-aggressive sniping about the Strelitzia page, where I felt a reasonable amount of time had passed. I'm fed up with pseudonymous sniping, anonymous business-bashing, and the general tenor of discussions here. Proposals have been floated regarding at least the anonymous postings, but they got discussed to death. Nothing changes. —DonShor

2011-10-02 21:13:58   Hi there Jabberwokky! It's the Jabberwokky! —AshleyHamidi

2011-10-03 01:41:37   That would be nice. I still often wonder what the motive could possibly be behind that act of arson. —ScottMeehleib

2011-10-03 13:26:17   I don't buy any of the magazines or videos for anything but that Rocky Horror stuff sounds like something that would have been an amazing find, in my opinion. Who doesn't like Rocky Horror??? Commies and Fascists, that's who. (yes, feeble attempt at humor upon waking). Great find though.

I have a lot of friends in the industry, not sure how that happened over the years, but it did. I absolutely hate pornography but love the artistic side of erotica. One of my friends stated it best "The art of erotica, for me, allows a woman to be sensual without debasing her or depowering her. Rather it gives her the sense of strength intertwined with her beauty and empowers her."

Pornography does the exact opposite in her mind and in mine as well.

To give an example of a few of my friends works, I will include some Deviant Art Links to them. There are other links but they share these works in a more public forum and have no problem with any of them being shared. Might not want to open these in the workplace, would be frowned upon I would wager.

Esmeralda- Gothic, moody, corsetry work. Cassandra - Light and shadow play. Morgan - Color play, corsetry and latex. Audrey - Artistic Nude, Art-deco (really good friend of mine who doesn't live to far away)

There are tons more, but specific examples of the types of imagery or artistic expression I would select (that classify as erotica for most, though not to me) would be things like these:

Anerades A great underwater shoot by my friend Nikos Vasilakis. Great photographer of nudes and other types of erotica but his sense of motion and emotion are captivating. Surreal Playlist by Stefan Gesell. This is one of my friends that tends to go to the darkest corners and the oddest settings/poses but his color work, as in this piece, are absolutely amazing and his sense of perspective can be insanely brilliant, as in this image.

Anyway, not sure if I helped or hurt the argument, but that's my take on the Porn v Erotica debate. —Wes-P

2011-10-03 19:16:32   I think that might very well be the underlying difficulty in finding the title for the page, among other details: The stigma associated with the term pornography. It is very similar to your example of burlesque vs strip-club... There is an artistic value accepted by society as a whole for the burlesque (erotica) style shows whereas there is this accepted sense of obscenity or wrong-doing associated with pornography. It all brings me to an older thought process I had about how commonly accepted violence is in films and television, even profanity now-a-days, whereas any type of nudity or sensuality automatically earns a much more guarded rating. This countries aversion to coping with the reality of sensuality is, in my opinion, the leading cause to the majority of the sex crimes and "perversion" out there today. It is the repression of human nature that causes insecurity and, too often, a lashing out against societal "norms". —Wes-P

2011-10-03 19:17:17   I kind of think that our little discussion should be included in the main talk page, you agree? —Wes-P

2011-10-03 22:34:48   Ha! "I'm calling from the Davis Wiki and... " —CovertProfessor

2011-10-10 10:27:25   LOL good eye. Not sure how that typo came about. —TomGarberson

2011-10-12 10:14:40   Hi evan how you doin! is there not a fairfield ca. wiki? thanks for info. —Theangrydiner

2011-10-13 19:06:34   Thanks — that is indeed interesting to me as an academic who wonders about the strictures preventing the distribution of scanned book sections, etc., to my students, not to mention putting my own published articles on a website. Nonprofit and educational, but that doesn't seem to matter to the law, or at least, it hasn't mattered until now... It will be interesting to see how things develop. —CovertProfessor

2011-10-14 07:55:07   It's the JABBERWOKKY!


2011-10-14 16:25:45   I think there are some similarities between the Tea Party and OWS — they are both pissed at both parties, and both unhappy with some aspects of the stimulus packages that were passed. However, I think whereas the Tea Party was unhappy with all of the stimulus, OWS is focusing on the bailouts to corporations and in particular the fact that no accountability was attached to the money and no prosecutions occurring now. I haven't heard OWS protesters complaining about the parts of the stimulus that were for infrastructure and job creation. Also, the focus of the Tea Party seems to be more on smaller government, fewer taxes, and getting rid of RomneyObamacare. OWS, on the other hand, is more focused on getting the corporations out of the political process and to do something about job creation and student loan debt. They also, I believe, want to increase taxes on the wealthy, which again, is contra Tea Party ideals. So, I see big differences between the messages of the two movements. —CovertProfessor

2011-10-14 18:12:04   There was an address given to a version without the music: Much easier to listen to!

I agree that most of that would be agreed to by both TP and OWS, but that is because most of it is so general — e.g., both sides agree that there are problems with health care and taxes, but I think the changes they want are very different. As for what he proposed at the end, I am not sure that TPs would want that, because it involves government getting involved, and they say they want less government involvement.

I also agree that the media has made both movements into circuses. As Jon Stewart said, the media has only two settings: blackout or circus. An exaggeration, of course, but just barely. —CovertProfessor

2011-10-22 21:18:22   Don't worry about calling me if a serial spammer needs a whack. That's one of the reasons I put my number up. —JabberWokky

2011-10-23 03:26:37   thanks for responding so timely to my heads up

you are my hero —StevenDaubert

2011-10-31 05:04:59   It's the JABBERWOKKY! —AshleyHamidi

2011-11-01 19:45:43   Thanks for the kind comment. I agree about DLM. —CovertProfessor

2011-11-01 20:44:31   aaw, you guys are making me blush... —Davidlm

2011-11-01 20:45:01   wow, now I hope that was about me... :)) —Davidlm

2011-11-01 21:26:16   It's starting to feel a bit like Facebook around here, I need to "like" all you're comments... —Davidlm

2011-11-01 22:14:17   I was just extra annoyed that I reverted their first comment and they went back the next day and did even more damage. —MeggoWaffle

2011-11-02 06:49:17   I've resolved the censorship matter, but it does seem to be censorship. —BruceHansen

2011-11-02 13:43:37   Thanks JW! I haven't been to Pedrick yet. I'll check it out. —ScottMeehleib

2011-11-02 14:09:14   Jabs-hope all is well. I labelled an organizational acct. Just don't know where else to document it —PeterBoulay

2011-11-06 12:20:02   The lifting of the absinthe ban of 2007 only allows "absinthe" that contains no thujone (the notorious chemical found in wormwood) in the finished project, meaning that a ban on absinthe that actually contains more than trace amounts of wormwood is still banned in the US. Many absinthe brands are still destroyed by customs if discovered. —ScottMeehleib

2011-11-06 12:31:08   Well, that's not what it says in the Wikipedia article on absinthe. Granted, Wikipedia content doesn't always draw from the best sources, but the article describes strict thujone limitations which I have no reason to believe are inaccurate. —ScottMeehleib

2011-11-06 12:57:45   According to the thujone entry you told me to read, "Absinthe offered for sale in the United States must be "thujone-free", which is interpreted as containing less than 10 mg/kg ." In other words, only a trace amount. I'm pretty sure most traditional absinthe had more thujone than 10mg/kg , but I am open to credible sources that say otherwise. —ScottMeehleib

2011-11-06 13:33:35   Yeah, but the sentence right before the one you quoted mentioned another study that tested more than just three brands. "A 2008 study of 13 pre-ban (1895–1910) bottles using gas chromatography-mass spectrometry (GC-MS) found that the bottles had between 0.5 mg/L and 48.3 mg/L and averaged 25.4 mg/L." Anyhoo, basically there seems to have been a wide variance of thujons in the traditional recipes. But you still might be right about 10 mg/kg being high for traditional absinthe if the earlier 2005 study truly represented "high wormwood recipes" as the entry claims. 48.3 mg/L bottles and so forth could just be freaky outliers as opposed to standard offerings, but I'd have to look at the individual studies to find out more. —ScottMeehleib

2011-11-06 15:00:37   I tried to find some sort of official government source that states what true thujone-limitation is if ever it truly does exist.. But I'm not having a lot of luck. And some of it seems pretty contradictory, such as a Time piece from 2007, written soon after the ban was lifted. That article claims that absinthe must be thujone-free in the US, but it gives a 10 parts per million rule, and I have no idea how that compares but it sounds more strict than the 10 mg/kg rule to my non-mathematic brain.. I can't find a lot of other information, but I hope it's not as tightly regulated as it sounds because I get sick of this nanny-government BS sometimes! Especially since, as you say, it's not like thujone has been scientifically shown to be damaging in small amounts.

I just sipped some of this "Absente." It tastes kind of like black licorice I think. It's not too bad, but I probably should have done the sugar/water thing. You must have tried absinthe as well, I take it? —ScottMeehleib

2011-11-10 16:24:11   try Everett Jones next time you are in the bay area

or just order some sauce from the website —StevenDaubert

2011-11-10 19:37:02   Thx for the note. Sorry man I think he's full of it. IP's don't change that often. Where there's smoke... :) —PeterBoulay

2011-11-11 15:36:53   Daviswiki == wikispot Localwiki != wikispot

at least that is how I saw it —StevenDaubert

2011-11-12 18:45:21   Philallen (banned) is back as PhillpAllen -please ban this version as well —PeterBoulay

2011-11-13 02:14:05   Greetings, JW. Monsanto is very much in Davis. Early on they bought Calgene. They're a big investor in UCD and naturally have a big influence there. —BruceHansen

2011-11-13 21:25:07   I was thinking that the link applies to a legal issue of biotechnology, the page it's on. I probababy would have put it on the Monsanto page if there was one. There should be one, mostly because of its huge investment in a center at UCD. —BruceHansen

2011-11-18 03:34:12   My bad, I guess. I thought SOPA was related to Davis...'ll try not to do SOPA. —BruceHansen

2011-11-18 04:11:07   I wasn't trying to shield any thing. Anyone may edit an Incubator page (I even invite editing on BruceHansen/Incubator pages. You edited it, rather drastically. An incubator page is pretty much a regular seed page. It seems to me that this SOPA stuff involves a real world soap opera besides how a law would effect the wiki. —BruceHansen

2011-11-20 11:43:06   JW, can you do this? —CovertProfessor

2011-11-25 15:29:51   Definitely Occupy Davis and Occupy UC Davis are different. My thoughts about them have changed. One thought I had was that Occupy Davis would include Occupy Davis (City of Davis) and Occupy UC Davis, similar to Davis including City of Davis and UC Davis. Now a more accurate portrayal might be that there are Davis Occupies (Davis Occupys). Separate societies are springing up in the different Occupies. Some Davis Occupyers joined the UC Davis Occupy with the tents which were objectionable to the UCD Administration in the day or so before the pepper-spraying. Because of the issue of having UCD affiliated people on the campus, there is a kind of boundary for Occupy UC Davis. The Occupy Davis people see themselves as different than Occupy UC Davis. I talked to a UCD coed sophomore who was visiting Occupy Davis. She identifies with Occupy Sacramento (that she thinks should move to 16th/P Streets), because Occupy UC Davis is just addressing the tuition issue rather than other Occupy issues like banking. There is a shared identity among the different Occupyers. On a related topic to your question, I wonder what boundary there is between UC Davis Occupyers and all the students concerned with student issues. Also I don't know if the UC Davis Occupyers have a different name for themselves than Occupy UC Davis. —BruceHansen

  • I didn't know if you were serious about this not making "any sense." but I saw that there was lack of clarity. Is this better? On another topic, I've found out that there are some serious divisions among the students. Long-time friendships have suffered with divisions over Occupy UC Davis issues. —BruceHansen

2011-11-27 17:21:32   That




2011-11-30 11:13:04   The example you gave, (The article is of interest to me. Thanks.) unlike the pepper spray article, has the toc after the first section. That would be fine with me with such a section of only four paragraphs, in that it invites attention to the first section. —BruceHansen

2011-12-01 09:31:30   Thanks. I <3 restroom innovations! —ScottMeehleib

2011-12-01 09:42:09   I'm inclined to agree with Scott that inequity isn't quite the right word. Imbalance does seem better to me. —CovertProfessor

2011-12-01 09:54:45   Have you actually heard anyone use that term, though? It seems enough to say that some people feel that the movement is made up of mostly white people and white concerns, and by failing to take into account the particular issues that people of color are facing, it is racist. An Occupy UC Davis example would be the person who pointed out at the Nov. 21 rally that people of color have been facing violent treatment from the police for a long time, but when white folks get sprayed, people pay attention. It's not a big deal, but the word just strikes an odd note for me. I do understand that it strikes an odd note for you as well, and that you're just trying to represent what others think. —CovertProfessor

2011-12-01 10:20:07   Thank you so much! Most awesome thing somebody's done for me in a long time. Yahoo said, "sorry, it's gone."


2011-12-01 15:13:35   Word.


2011-12-01 15:23:48   Hi JabberWokky. It might look better if the intro stayed on top, enlarge layer sprayer photo on the left with the toc on the right. —BruceHansen

2011-12-01 17:07:49   Sorry to drop out of the conversation like that — actually, I meant the term "inequitable," not the term "racist." I'd hear the latter used against the OWS movement, but not the former. Which brings up the question — has anyone called the Occupy Davis movement racist or inequitable? And if not, why mention it? The white power stuff is relevant because it's specific to Davis (and just plain weird), but is this? —CovertProfessor

2011-12-01 19:25:51   Sorry, I'm just getting more confused. I think I'll just leave things as they are — it's not that important. —CovertProfessor

2011-12-01 21:40:09   Thanks for the latest comment. I couldn't find where the request came from. Sorry I haven't got around to responding to some previous comments or other actions. —BruceHansen

2011-12-02 13:23:42   I don't know who is behind it. So you're not hosting it on dwiki because of copyright concerns? —WilliamLewis

2011-12-02 19:25:01   The DRC Facebook image was posted by whoever runs the Occupy UC Davis Facebook page, but I'm not sure who that is. FWIW, it was posted with the message "READ READ READ READ SHARE SHARE SHARE SHARE," so maybe that could be taken as implied permission. :-) —CovertProfessor

2011-12-02 21:16:58   I have a philosophical question for you. I've noticed that some of the descriptions on pages themselves are extraordinarily pointed, and often comments get adapted into pages without staying as comments. Is there a clear set of guidelines for when something should be a comment and when it should be in the page? —EliYani

2011-12-03 19:06:02   Hey Evan, is there any way to edit the events page? Somebody posted some incorrect information (twice), and I'd like to put it to rights... —Davidlm

2011-12-04 10:43:18   Sounds like a plan —TomGarberson

2011-12-04 10:53:54   Yeah, it didn't really seem like him. His health situation might make a hauling business impractical, and this Phil seems to work alongside a Michelle, rather than Terri Martinez. —TomGarberson

2011-12-04 10:56:40   Pretty sure it's not P.A. as he is homeless, still trying to use the court system to destroy people. He has no truck or trailer, i'm certain of this. —Theangrydiner

2011-12-04 12:13:55   Hey, I see you deleted the Business Category template. What's "Davis style"? Also, how do you suggest I work on the Businesses page if you don't want the new version up until it's ready? Perhaps I should create a Businesses/New Version page that isn't linked from anywhere, and then when it's ready we can move the material there over to the existing Businesses page? —NicholasBarry

2011-12-04 13:36:45   Yea the business is still there, and they're still trying to live off of Charlene's name with Fo Paws. He still employed with Bob Black, if you can believe that, I dont think Bob has any idea of what goes on, because he lives by the Oregon border. I understand too that he could be single in the near future, lets hope so. —Theangrydiner

2011-12-04 17:08:11   Sky and Telescope has been a staple in my household for as long as I can remember, along with Aviation Week & Space technology, Scientific American, Discover, and sadly the New Yorker

all quality publications, especially Aviation leak cause they are sharp cookies

go input your coordinates on heavens above, and then look at iridium flares in the next 7 days from your location, and find the one with the higher intensity and PEEP SCENE

pretty sure heavens above aggregates info from amateur trackers all around the world, and also has the algorithms that do the prediction for visibility and location dynamically... They have been doing this for quite some time, the layout of the page hasn't changed much.

as I kid I would go use the Hutchinson computer lab and go online, it was one of the sites I frequented

Do you remember the Bulletin Board era? —StevenDaubert

2011-12-05 07:04:51   I'm not positive, but I think I may have just ROFLcoptered. —TomGarberson

  • snicker* —cp

2011-12-05 15:46:40   I reverted the Gardening link on Cheap Food... it's both accurate (a cheap way to produce food) and kind of an interesting twist on the page. Plus, it's very Davisy! —TomGarberson

2011-12-05 15:49:58   Scratch that, I somehow thought the other person added the gardening link and you removed it. I had it backwards. Herp derp. —TomGarberson

2011-12-05 20:03:10   I looked at your edit and I could have sworn the text in question was on the left and yellow. I'm half wondering if I reversed the radio buttons or something. —WilliamLewis

2011-12-05 20:10:28   Dunno, for me Gardening was removed, so I reverted to restore it back. It's not strictly in the category of free food, but in a Davis mindset (and mine) it fits perfectly. Which is why I commented the way I did when I restored it. It's a less strict, more "woogey" association. And the correct one, I believe. —JabberWokky

2011-12-06 08:55:24   Sorry, maybe I asked too general a question with "What's 'Davis Style'?" I was referring to the comment you left when you deleted the Business Category template. What I meant was, can you help me learn why Davis Style is opposed to such a template? I think it's useful as a template. Perhaps the template can be improved upon, rather than being deleted entirely? —NicholasBarry

2011-12-06 10:45:06   Ok, cool. That makes sense. —NicholasBarry

2011-12-06 10:54:25   Good to know, about the deletes. And yeah, I got that from your comment about the reversion. Thanks! A revert can sometimes be taken as a reprimand, but I get the feeling that most people here use it as just another edit, as you say. —NicholasBarry

2011-12-06 13:17:01   Heh, yeah I don't know how much international coverage Sandusky was getting. I've actually really been enjoying some of the social aspects of getting my PhD. This floor of the building only hosts four labs, but we've got people from just about everywhere. The multiculturalism is kind of fun, at times. DREADFUL AT OTHER TIMES.

We used to try to map the languages and places traveled on a whiteboard somewhere; the map was completely covered with dots when we counted all four labs. My lab alone (counting all members from last year too) speaks/spoke: English, French, Spanish, Greek, German (Swiss-dialect), Vietnamese, Korean, Japanese, Congolese, Lingala, Assyrian, Persian (Iran), Persian Dari (Afghanistan), Turkish, Azerbaijani, Punjabi, Urdu. And that's all fluently... Less fluent, there's Dutch (French part of Belgium) and I suppose Hawaiin Pidgin.

I've learned to curse in SO MANY INTERESTING WAYS I CAN NOT EVEN BEGIN TO EXPLAIN. We have this habit of swapping translated colloquialisms that keep things funny at work, but oh man, my own spoken English is probably worse than ever. —EdWins

2011-12-06 13:21:16   Just noting I am part of the community too, despite dissenting views. :) —JeffWood

2011-12-06 21:13:01   3 different people from the same IP. I am not sure we can tell if it's someone removing someone else's comment or not —PeterBoulay

2011-12-06 21:20:02   There's a history of people fudging identities on the Rambler page—whether it's staff or legitimate same-IP posters or not, I don't know but there's clearly something going on there. —PeterBoulay

2011-12-07 21:28:58   The Supreme Court basically ruled that contracts can be written in this manner and companies can no longer be sued by customers. This is what the Occupy Movement is all about. It about the Supreme Court giving power to companies and denying customers the right to sue even if the company does something horrific to the customer. Big corporations obviously bribed the Supreme Court and this is dangerous because losing the right to sue could also be applied to employment contracts. —MaxLucas

2011-12-08 08:09:23   Actually, arbitration clauses are pretty effective, although it varies by jurisdiction. Under the Federal Arbitration Act there are very few circumstances where an arbitration clause in a contract for an interstate transaction isn't enforceable. Where a transaction doesn't cross state lines, the commerce clause doesn't give the federal government jurisdiction, meaning that the relevant state law applies. In California, I think the rule is that the court in which a lawsuit is filed is supposed to determine whether arbitration would be likely to create a result contrary to other recent, similar cases handled in the courts. It's a messy system. —TomGarberson

2011-12-09 19:02:33   The mapping stuff. Fucking awesome. —jefftolentino

2011-12-10 10:30:06   "Ronnie" also made a comment on Hunan's entry about giving hand jobs under the table. Just seems like poor trolling. —ScottMeehleib

2011-12-10 20:46:48   Hi, I just have a quick question. If I were to mention the value cards for $9.99 hair cuts at great clips on their page would it be too much of an advertisement or that would be acceptable? —LoriOrf

2011-12-10 22:29:51   Thank you for the info. It is purely for informational purposes; I am in no way affiliated with Great Clips. I tried to word it as neutrally and factually as possible. —LoriOrf

2011-12-11 18:10:15   Multiple people use the WoodstocksPizza ID so it is kind of pointless to ask them to identify as a singular user in this instance. Hope you have a great Holiday, Evan. I have been silent for a while but will be popping in from time to time. —Wes-P

2011-12-11 22:36:10   Hey Evan, in case you're not sure, yes, phealah is Phil Allen... —Davidlm

2011-12-12 19:15:58   A different Phil altogether. —Davidlm

2011-12-13 06:08:30   You wrote: "More importantly, you've gone way overboard in hyper analyzing the language here." First, isn't that like the pot calling the kettle black? Per your line of reasoning, you're the one who used "love". And that is why I originally replied. There's a saying in life, don't be an a-hole just because someone disagrees with you. People can have friendly disagreement. You made you case. I made mine. You don't see me attacking you the person; instead, I attacked your argument. Please kindly discern the difference. —jasoncw

2011-12-24 22:37:28   Thanks for the support! —DylanSchaefer

2011-12-29 13:10:47   Hah, neat. Pass along this suggestion: orange marmalade smeared on top of the...smaller cookies. —EdWins

2011-12-30 11:15:14   Hello JW, would you review my "Workspace" to see if the content of "constructive discussion" is itself constructive or offensive? Thank you for review. —EdgarWai

2011-12-31 00:32:24   *panda bear on your file* —ndah100

2012-01-01 18:29:39   Well said, let the police determine it. We don't want the wiki to become a place to spread unsubstantiated rumors. If they have the information they claim to have, the police should have no trouble proving those facts. Once proven, if it can be, then it should be able to stay. Well handled. —ChrisDietrich

  • Agreed. Some actions deserve a forceful reply. —CovertProfessor
  • Agreed. —tg

2012-01-02 18:20:01   When I was a kid watching the Mousekateers I thought I'd go to join them in the big city, Kansas City, MO where I assumed they were. Much later I started with the Davis Wiki and have been virtually error free. Maybe you should give up the glasses and give up figuring out what the words are? —BruceHansen

2012-01-02 19:54:01   Your readings of ..."Muppeteers"...reminded me of the Mousekateers. If you don't use your glasses there would be less difference between the possible readings and I was asking if that might be a solution. I didn't know what you might think or say in response. (It was generally meant to be a humorous comment, as you probably surmised.) —BruceHansen

2012-01-05 20:54:45   thank you, that means a lot to me to hear that. —DagonJones

2012-01-08 19:07:20   Hi Evan, a big happy New Year to you and yours. Hey on the ban page doesn't seem to be detailed information like a lot of other pages, like what wikis editors are banned from and dates they were banned on, if they're from different wikis and we knew which ones it would be more helpful. Thanks, have fun. —Theangrydiner

2012-01-09 15:48:50   There my eyes went again. I thought you said "ingratiating comment." —BruceHansen

2012-01-16 13:47:03   Not a clue, but if I get the chance I'm planning on contacting Elizabeth to see if she knows. —Davidlm

2012-01-17 17:52:41   The page only said "Davis, CA" as an address and did not say anything more specific that that. I looked around the web and I could only find their webpage that was entirely in Spanish and listed them as being located in Uruguay. If you find anything to the contrary that shows a Davis connection, by all means restore it, but from my investigation it seems it has nothing to do with Davis. —ChrisDietrich

2012-01-19 08:15:06   Thanks! Just reposted. —NicholasBarry

2012-01-19 14:33:37   The way the Big Book of AA is written and the way the official organization persists and is experienced (at least by me), I'd say it's very much Abrahamic in its foundation and with much to do about submitting (like Islam) and feeling guilty (moral inventories and listing everybody you've wronged). I don't believe AA is perfect by any means, and I certainly support splinter sects that seek to make certain groups more comfortable. —ScottMeehleib

2012-01-19 15:33:25   By the way, if you'd like to change the word from submission to something else, I'd probably be okay with that. I was shooting from the hip with that based on personal experience, but I'd welcome any alternative. I'm happy with AA in the sense that I feel like it works. However, I have criticisms and biases like any other person though that tend to creep out. The system works for me but it has a very antiquated style that a lot of people seem reluctant to mess with. Personally, as a Buddhist, it was kind of a hard issue even deciding if the system was even compatible with my beliefs to begin with. Talk of "higher powers" and "gods" doesn't resonate well with a system that rejects all absolutes. In the end, I decided that the Middle Way and just plain objective reasonableness would be my higher power. But again, this doesn't quite mesh well with the Big Book as it stands in terms of technical terminology. On the positive side, the Davis groups have always been very tolerant and I've never felt judged or ostracized for my beliefs. —ScottMeehleib

2012-01-20 11:34:08   I just noticed the bit where you called my description of AA disingenuous. That is an unfair characterization. I had the best of intentions in that writeup, and I am a supporter and member of AA. I agree that it appears as though the entry is slanted towards the religious elements, but that's only because that's where my primary interest lies. I guess it's fair to say that I am a deeply religious person, and so that was my initial attraction to the group. The biases and criticisms that I have were not intended to undermine an organization I greatly respect and admire. They do however reflect my experiences, and with time, I would hope that other people would share the secular parts that are of interest to them. AA remains a primarily religious organization, however, and people deserve to know that. Otherwise they will be confused when they attend their first meetings and are offered not only the Big Book but another book called "Came to Believe" which has chapters titled The Spirit Touch and another dealing with spiritual synchronicity. —ScottMeehleib

2012-01-20 14:44:02   Feel free to make whatever changes you want to the AA entry. I don't like the term "splinter sects" either, but I couldn't think of anything better. There is, after all, an official AA organization and everything that changes the formula is technically splintering off from the norm. Having said that, I was simply trying to make an informational entry. Delete or revise anything that you feel is detrimental. Personally, I have very little respect for the 11th tradition as it stands in regards to my own personal participation in AA. Like a lot of AA, it's outdated IMO. My name is not explicitly plastered to any of my edits anyway, and is only visible to the most devoted wikians who dig into recent changes. —ScottMeehleib

2012-01-20 16:12:17   Thanks, but no apology is necessary. It's inevitable that such misunderstandings will arise from time to time. No worries! I understand where you are coming from now as I'm sure you understand my point of view as well. Thanks again though for seeing what I was after. —ScottMeehleib

2012-01-25 12:56:36   Hi Evan thanks for your comment about the tiny houses :) I know there are many other players and I would love to have people flesh the page out...I just listed a few I am familiar with. I'm only starting to look into these homes, but I was really surprised there is not already a group in Davis (or at least a page on the wiki) active with these houses! Or maybe there is, and they will come out of the woodwork and onto the wiki :) I would love to see someone's project. Are you familiar with Portland Alternative Dwelling's vardo plan? Yes I did get permission from Tumbleweed to use the pix. :) —StephHolm

2012-01-26 10:05:41   Hi Evan, sorry to have dragged Little Girl into the Tiny House discussion, may she rest in peace, but i needed to make a point :) What kind of mouse was she, she was SO pretty! We have rats and if there was a breed that looked like that I would love to get one. —StephHolm

2012-01-26 10:08:15   Would you be interested in joining DATHE? I am just excited that I came up with an acronym that can be spoken as if its a word. Yay! —StephHolm

2012-01-26 20:21:19   I have no idea what the question of "full blown trolling" is about. —BruceHansen

2012-01-26 20:27:00   "confusion"BruceHansen

2012-01-30 14:47:16   Thanks jw! Well my stuff is all made in China so that might irk a few people....but it all helps keep a very enthusiastic 8 year old Davisite involved in Davis sports groups and keeps us patronizing Davis restaurants,'s all good! Hey if there can be a page about "spicy food" (such as defining what it is and how you should ask the server if you want it to not be so spicy) then there can be a page about plastic beads and tiny houses! ;-) —StephHolm

2012-02-01 10:28:18   Good call. Maybe I'll get rid of the snark regarding translations of "no" then... —TomGarberson

2012-02-01 16:31:13   Left Hand Milk Stout is one of my favorites but I've never seen it for sale in CA. Sigh. —MikeyCrews

2012-02-02 11:53:11   Hi there...does it take you to facebook with the photo of the tiny house? I think I have to add you as a member perhaps.....can you "request to join?" I tried thelink from my phone and it did take me to the facebook group. what is your name on facebook?


2012-02-02 13:09:14   Oh ok i gotcha. no i don't think so. i am not logged into facebook here at work (i think it's blocked anyway) and when i click on the link i go to facebook's login or register page. ah what the hey, make one real quick! LOL you can befriend "tiny house design" and "tiny house blog" and D-SATHE, and bungalow-to-go, and..... :)


2012-02-06 11:21:53   The employees don't know what it means. Multiple In N outs have told me to say "extra everything" instead. —MikeyCrews

2012-02-06 11:49:45   Hey Evan do you think it would behoove me to create some other kind of online group for the TIny House lovers? I am not sure how many people "don't do" facebook.....maybe a yahoo group? —StephHolm

2012-02-06 12:25:53   Thanks. I know that whatever service you choose there are always some people that are "against" using that service so you can't please everyone :( I hate to have people not join tho because of that —StephHolm

2012-02-06 12:51:25   Yah i don't want to do that...i mean those of us who are on facebook already with other groups etc it's super easy to have this group on facebook, but it excludes those few who don't use it. So i would rather not do that but i need alternate solutions. easy to use, fast, and smartphone friendly would be key. i love that i get ding dong updates on my phone when someone posts. i'm all about the instant gratification! LOL —StephHolm

2012-02-06 14:29:19   Evan have you joined the google group for DCCN? I just did and heard from the owner that he just went to the city offices yesterday inquiring about this exact topic! THey are already planning their tiny houses LOL —StephHolm

2012-02-07 00:11:08   Thanks. I'll read it after I eat something. —BruceHansen

2012-02-08 08:49:20   He's moving it in an attempt to bury it & hope it goes away man-until he starts answering the specific questions asked that is what it looks like to me. I am AMAZED with the patience displayed by the community on this one. I know I had some issues when I first came but this is simply unique and I am as frustrated as others have shown to be —PeterBoulay

2012-02-08 11:22:04   I'm doubtful that there has been a salon name change. —CovertProfessor

2012-02-08 12:25:33   Makes sense. —CovertProfessor

2012-02-08 13:21:04   oooh really? I've always looked at that property as I go by, it's one of the cooler places tucked in town —StevenDaubert

2012-02-08 14:24:44   we should discuss awesome corners of Davis next time we meet in the physical realm —StevenDaubert

2012-02-08 15:22:47   It occurred to me right after I posted that it was unfair to include her name, especially since she remained at the scene of the accident and had no drugs or alcohol in her system. Nobody asked me to remove... I just didn't want to create a situation in which people started assigning (potentially unfair) blame. I'll follow the story, though. —justincox22

2012-02-08 16:36:51   keep me in the loop —StevenDaubert

2012-02-09 21:15:35   Parody, yes! A better term. I'm the one who gets sarcastic. :-) —CovertProfessor

2012-02-10 04:06:19   Hi there, I understand keeping the comment about the Dr jack Lin DDS is try to protect Davis community. However, Down south in Australia, we have two dental specialist who share the same name as the bad one in Davis. Our specialist service is base on the referral. However, before our patients contact our office make the appointment wait for 2-3 months and travel few hundred kilometer, they always search about the specialist they are about to see on google. Unfortunately , that wiki comments came on top of search list. Most of my patient does not realise they are reading a comment across the pacific ocean. One of the patient decided to travel further 5 hours away to see my other colleague, instead seeking a treatment locally. However, she end-up with severe infection and hospitalized for few days. I did not notice about this web page until my colleague call me in person.

All I want is to protect my patient and local community as you do in Davis. Is that any way you can help me to resolve this issue. Regards, Dr Jack C. Lin (Endodontist) —JackLin

2012-02-11 16:04:23   Davis is certainly lacking a mythical beast. Most of the material on the Urban Legends page is about suicides or haunted houses and just isn't very inspiring. I also wasn't inspired when I looked at Left Hand's website and saw that they don't distribute in CA or any contiguous states. —MikeyCrews

2012-02-16 18:16:39   in any given story you have to come up with an ending that doesn't make people go AWWW MAN, or throw your whole premise under the bus. Just thinking out loud to you about Fictional story creation... —StevenDaubert

2012-02-17 15:43:23   No problem —PeterBoulay

2012-02-18 15:15:03   Hmm, maybe I didn't express myself very well. What I was trying to say was this: The pepper spray incident and related judgments of blame are very value-laden. So, it is not possible to come to purely fact-based objective conclusions. Some would go further and say that because values are involved, no objective conclusions can be drawn at all. However, I don't believe that; I believe that it's possible to have an objective discussion of values — I just don't think the wiki is a good place for doing that. So, the best we can do is represent the range of values and opinions in the Davis community. I think we agree on that last point. Sorry, my response to EW was being a bit hair-splitty without saying why. —CovertProfessor

2012-03-01 12:56:31   Sure... I try to avoid getting them, but when I get them, I reuse them. I still don't think it makes sense that they be given out like candy at stores. If people need bags, they can buy the appropriate bag for the purpose, e.g., we buy corn-based biodegradable poop bags that are sized for the purpose. The main point I was trying to make was that people like me Bob Dunning say that everyone uses the bags again and then recycles them. I don't think that's true, and the fact that there were so many blowing around is evidence that people aren't reusing/recycling. —CovertProfessor

2012-03-02 07:43:15   I know what you mean. —CovertProfessor

2012-03-02 16:15:16   Agreed! —ScottMeehleib

2012-03-02 18:26:51   Yes. And this seemed to be screaming for it. Or maybe that's just those pesky noises in my head again. —CovertProfessor

2012-03-04 22:42:32   Good to know. I was skimming through the website to see what they offer and it will be a great tool to use. —SimonFung

2012-03-07 09:01:39   this. —EdWins

2012-03-11 19:32:53   No problem. Pretty sure it's not helping though. —MeggoWaffle

2012-03-15 15:22:33   Hey Jabs-"ceebs" and "PrettyPlease" have been confirmed (by the user themselves) as being the same person. Can you delete ceebs please? —PeterBoulay

2012-03-15 17:59:24   Tampa, FL. My parents live here; I'm visiting them and my sister for spring break —Takenadvantageoftenant

2012-03-15 18:12:28   St. Pete is nice - I'm actually going there on Sunday. I grew up here, went to college in Orlando and then back to Tampa, and lived in Gainesville for awhile before moving out west. I have yet to experience Rocky Horror - always wanted to. —Takenadvantageoftenant

2012-03-15 18:16:43   Jabs...we are trying to communicate on the /talk page—sritern continues to insult people and ignore everyone else. Eventually enough is enough. Calling us drama junkies really isn't necessary. —PeterBoulay

2012-03-15 19:01:23   I must be taking crazy pills! Sometimes people become enmeshed in discussions and lose the ability to think from an outside or logical perspective, so I thought I'd step in as an unentangled voice of reason. I see your point about the difficulty in getting someone to admit wrongdoing. Good call on locking the page; it was getting ridiculous. Borderline "rediculous." —LoriOrf

2012-03-17 21:37:16   Yep... both points are important. —CovertProfessor

2012-03-20 18:16:11   Yeah Tom advised me several hours ago—it's all good —PeterBoulay

2012-03-20 18:34:10   I'm curious to know what you find out... please keep me in the loop. —CovertProfessor

2012-03-22 10:49:21   Editing is a multi-person task, bean or no. I know that only too well. —CovertProfessor

2012-03-22 15:37:13   hello, there is an emotionally disturbed person who has posted information about and pictures of tom on the sacwiki and is continuing to try to post odd stuff on daviswiki. I thought you might be able to do something about it since you seem to have more clout than most. Thanks. —LoriOrf

2012-03-22 18:02:03   Quoting you: "Is there a worse person to target with libel than an attorney who has free time?" I think the answer is.....DUH (facepalm) —PeterBoulay

2012-03-22 22:16:47   Thanks. What you can't tell from the mountain pic is what a lazy SOB he is most of the time, which of course he learned from me. —MikeyCrews

2012-03-23 17:57:21   GAHHHHH! User/JohnGalt needs to be banned. Leaving more trash about TG. Would do myslef if I could —jsbmeb

2012-03-23 19:08:21   This is getting pretty insane now, so I'm leaving it up to those with admin access. —jsbmeb

2012-03-24 23:30:21   Thanks! —Angel.York

2012-03-27 12:06:58   FelixWankel has repeatedly vandalized Moller International's page-can you nuke them please? TG and I called for it last week and he called for it ages ago —PeterBoulay

2012-03-29 16:39:29   Looks like the ManagerSilverstone account was not actually disabled? —CovertProfessor

2012-03-29 16:52:25   Oh, I didn't notice that — sorry, thanks, got it. —CovertProfessor

2012-03-29 17:01:12   What is this "reading" thing of which you speak, and is it required for editing the wiki? —CovertProfessor

2012-03-29 17:11:06   You are free to edit the page, just like anybody else in the community. It's only that specific account name that is causing problems (for several reasons). Go ahead and create a personal account, and feel free to use your first name or however you introduce yourself to members of the public that walk in your office... part of the problem is lack of accountability. Can you imagine if things were being done around your complex and everybody was sharing the same name "Employee"? "Who left the office unlocked?" "Oh, that was employee". "Which one?" "Just employee". You'd never have a clear idea who was doing what. That's just one of the several issues with organizational names. —Evan 'JabberWokky' Edwards,

well said —StevenDaubert

2012-03-29 17:22:16   Easy for you to say. —CovertProfessor

2012-04-02 15:00:48   Oh well... maybe next year if we have new software... —CovertProfessor

2012-04-04 13:18:13   I love Rory. —EdWins

2012-04-05 09:45:18   I need help with my business page again! I uploaded some photos of my new location but they are HUGE and I could not figure out how to get them on my page and make them smaller? Any help would be much appreciated! The page is girlgonegreen skincare. Thanks so much for your time.


2012-04-05 14:38:35   Yeah. It's been used that way a lot lately, with the page featuring an afterthought at best. Perhaps we should really take up your dental questions suggestion in order to remind people what the featured page is really supposed to be. —CovertProfessor

2012-04-08 09:35:56   Saw this on TweetsofOld: This morning a freight car at Davisville was broken open and a quantity of wine, sardines, and shoes was stolen. CA1900


2012-04-19 11:26:39   Sure, and I was happy to see JT finish what I started. I keep trying to think of ways to make the purpose of the FP clearer, as well as guidelines for editing it... maybe more hidden comments on the page itself? —CovertProfessor

2012-04-23 21:08:06   Sure. Sometimes I find that oddly cathartic. —CovertProfessor

2012-04-26 08:05:27   I know! Thus my snarky withdrawn comment on their page and my remark about deja vu. I find it extremely puzzling. Are they some sort of cult? —CovertProfessor

2012-04-26 19:11:25   Our first motto: "Look for the barn at the east end of Fifth Street!" We had to modify that after a few years... —DonShor

2012-04-29 16:04:43   So as you may have noticed, (cp and I noticed)there have been several comments posted to the davis dirt page in the last couple days. Many of the users' ip addresses are very similar, and a couple are the exact same. Also, that page is the only page that most of the users have commented on. I wasn't really sure what to do about it, but it seems super shady. I thought I'd bring it to a more experienced editor's attention rather than starting a witch hunt and not really knowing protocol. I might just be paranoid, but it seems shady and potentially sockpuppet-like. Have a lovely day :) —LoriOrf

2012-05-01 15:59:01   Yeah, it can be a bit disheartening that some business are so stubborn or uncaring. The way I understand it, there is no general inspection mechanism for enforcing the ADA, unlike health inspections and general building codes inspections. Some of the owners I've encountered have been very dismissive because they apparently did a bit of research and honestly believe that they are ADA compliant. So if you try to point out where they made an error or missed something, they'll often get very defensive and adopt a "well, I did the best I can so sue me if you disagree" sort of attitude. —ScottMeehleib

2012-05-01 16:01:51   I found this source to be quite helpful and interesting when considering these issues.

2012-05-09 11:37:58   I just like to fuel your conspiracy theory. —CovertProfessor

2012-05-10 15:35:43   Still, he must have been under a rock to have missed the UCD pepper spraying! —CovertProfessor

2012-05-10 18:25:08   Hey, JW (I'm posting the same on CovertProfessor's page). I just reviewed my intern’s recent edits, and saw your comments. I’ve spoken to him directly about his poor judgment in choosing a username.

While acknowledging that the username was inappropriate and mean, I hope that actions speak louder than words. I’m personally a huge supporter of Daviswiki – hell, I contributed $100 to the Localwiki campaign – and I’ve made it a point to put a lot of our info on Daviswiki, even when it doesn’t benefit our organization. A lot of organizations wouldn’t even bother to create a list of places you could use their product – they’d just have that on their website. And the easy thing for us to do would just be to make a plain text list on our page, but we’ve created about 15 of the businesses’ pages, and intend to create more. Sure, 15 is a small number, and it’s not as if we did a lot of journalism on those pages. I’m not trying to claim any medals. But I hope it shows a lot more commitment to the wiki than most businesses or individuals would make.

Also, may I note that one of our other interns used the username “davisrox”? That’s positive, right? (I’m being lighthearted, in case you can’t read the tone ). By the way, I’ve created instructions for all future team members to use their actual names.

I can’t read your tone, by the way – I’m not sure how serious you are when you’re talking about this username creating an impression about the entire organization. I understand that the people who represent an organization inevitably contribute to the organization’s perception, but as I said, I hope you can look past the words to the actions.

And if there are other things that I’ve missed that you think are problematic, or if things come up in the future…you know that you could always drop me a line? A quick “Hey, your intern’s username is kind of jerky” would be fine. One of the things I really like about the wiki is how much editors engage each other in conversation. One of the things that makes that username mean is that it’s an anonymous, unproductive criticism of Daviswiki, without trying to engage in any meaningful conversation. I’m trying to represent the opposite by engaging, with this post, and if you do the same and drop me a line in the future, it will make it easier for me to remedy anything that comes up.


2012-05-10 19:26:16   Hey JabberWokky, I am the intern who made the recent changes with the nasty username. I made that username a while ago when the front page was very different and almost illegible (might have been an April fool's joke) and I was not aware I was making the edits under that same username. I just wanted to let you know that the attitude conveyed by my former username doesn't represent my own attitude. Furthermore, it shouldn't be taken to represent Davis Dollars' attitude toward Daviswiki. —EdRojas

2012-05-13 22:45:38   Hi Evan, my name is Chris. I own the Pilates Bodywork business. I am changing the name slightly to "Pilates For Bodies". I was wondering if there was anyway I could change the name on Wiki without creating a new page. It is really all the same. Just a little catchier form of the name. If you can help, thanks. Sincerely, Chris —crpike

2012-05-15 20:19:02   I should have a copy of said 10x glossy attack advert —StevenDaubert

2012-05-15 20:26:07   I do have a copy of said glossy mailer. Also have you heard anything from our affable new future wiki gnome? —StevenDaubert

2012-05-15 22:03:49   No, I don't think so. I have it in my possession, but I couldn't bring myself to spread it further. Not that everyone in Davis hasn't seen it already. If someone else puts it up, of course I won't object. —CovertProfessor

2012-05-15 22:29:21   Again, I don't object to it being up — it is factual, it is part of what is going on now, and everyone in Davis who looks at their mail has seen it. I just don't want to be the one spreading it. —CovertProfessor

2012-05-16 18:47:32   I like your last edit on the ChamberPAC page. —DougWalter

2012-05-17 00:21:59   They just refilled the irrigation canal in my backyard in west Davis and it sounds like we went from having zero to a million frogs in the course of a day. They're a crazy species. According to the internet they go from mating to being tadpoles in 7-21 days and then are full fledged frogs 2-3 months later. What else is wild is that they apparently have both a homing and timing instinct in that they return to their place of birth to mate and somehow they have an idea on when they'll be water there. We hadn't see a frog in the whole year we've been living here and then in the three days prior to when they filled the canal our cats caught (and we released) two of them. —MikeyCrews

2012-05-20 16:04:11   Cool. Yeah, I noticed that the Davis Psychic page hadn't been edited in a long time, so I figured I'd add some info from the Aggie article I came across. —ScottMeehleib

2012-05-21 18:42:58   I know you withdrew your analogy, but I can't help but note that the page was about the UCDPD, the Chancellor, the protesters, and others, not strictly about the UCDPD. —CovertProfessor

2012-05-21 19:33:51   Sometimes they work, but often they are dicey. I do understand the point you are trying to make, and if I'd seen more than promotional fluff, I might agree with you. —CovertProfessor

I think there may be a problem with the comment function. I am getting the error:

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Ah, editing live code... always dicey. Thanks for taking care of it! —cp

2012-05-24 09:47:42   Thanks! :) —DavidBenjamin

2012-05-25 14:50:04   What you don't realize is that chickens have been plotting a coup since early 2012. —MikeyCrews

2012-05-26 14:52:39   that was indeed quite the edit. I almost feel that way about Monticello —StevenDaubert

2012-05-26 19:08:05   Were you in downtown Davis today or was I just hallucinating? —ScottMeehleib

2012-05-29 23:07:08   Also posted on CP's page: I have no problem with what either of you did on that page. Kemble Pope's assertion was factually incorrect, and he hasn't acknowledged that. So I felt that should be corrected publicly. All he has to do is come back, look at the edit history, and see that he made an erroneous assumption. I doubt that he will. —DonShor

2012-06-04 09:00:59   Absolutely. It's always important to consider the other side(s). —CovertProfessor

2012-06-04 21:19:33   Jabber Wokky, i dont know why you allow thses nonsense to happen in wiki, it's like children's play guys accomodates it. Remember, false accusation is slandering and liable which is against law. i haven't done you guys any thing. —andrewnnodim

2012-06-05 17:35:00   Who was your last response on the legal threats page aimed at? The discussion was about a proposed policy, not what has actually been done — at least, that is what I was discussing. —CovertProfessor

2012-06-05 17:45:32   I'm sorry — that sounds awful. I'd fill you in on the gist of the page, but maybe it's better to be left for another time. Hope the rest of your day and your week go better. —CovertProfessor

2012-06-06 01:02:27   Hey Jabber, hope life gets easier. Tough times are indeed tough. Hugs all around. —Davidlm

2012-06-06 14:56:20   I think Jeff's talking about the original proposal for dealing with legal threats - immediate memory-holing and a temp ban. —TomGarberson

2012-06-06 15:59:42   I'm confused why you didn't let Wes' revert stand on the 24/7 cab page... —ScottMeehleib

2012-06-06 16:19:03   Not surprised. I decided not to wade into this one ;) —Davidlm

2012-06-14 14:34:07   Can you confirm that the account LWolk was deleted? —CovertProfessor

2012-06-14 15:19:25   Ok, thanks. No rush. —CovertProfessor

2012-06-14 16:02:21   An Edit. —DisabledAccount

2012-06-15 13:22:22   Yeah, I'm not going to push it, its GKs wiki too. Just wanted to make the suggestion. —jefftolentino

2012-06-25 14:11:02   is it sad that I find the fact that runaway italics italicize the

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2012-07-03 00:52:49   not so strange when you consider the premium outlets are located in Vacaville... —StevenDaubert

2012-07-11 16:59:22   I knew they had more locations, didn't know they'd won out on sales. Good for them. I like Subway a lot. Mostly because I like lots of veggies on my sammiches, and that's where they shine. —TomGarberson

2012-07-13 12:20:32   Interesting coincidence. Actually, I almost didn't edit the page as well, for the same reason you mentioned. Kinda feel like the Enterprise dropped the ball on this one by not reporting the details regarding what is probably just another trial date reschedule, but maybe I'm just overly hung on details. —ScottMeehleib

2012-08-02 14:40:45   Oh my! I'm not sure I could look at Rory in the same way after that! —CovertProfessor

2012-08-28 16:31:29   On Osterio Fasulo, can you at least take the lies out of Version 212? There is no entree at $55. Highest is $35. I cleaned up that stuff. —ScottLay

2012-08-29 09:24:03   Good work on the Osteria Fasulo page. I guess my only issues now are where's the evidence that Leonardo is going for $100/person and that Biba's is what he's trying to be. But, I guess this isn't a law review article. —ScottLay

  • Agreed. Having been there, I've seen no evidence of either. —CovertProfessor
    • I had already changed Biba's to a comparison. Is around $50 a person an expected price point? I altered it to be a useful metric. Remember, this is not a court: hearsay is acceptable, with the source being taken into account. It's not like there's ever a final ruling, so things can always be altered with a simple, "I don't think this is true, here let me change it", preferably with a comment explaining why, so it is clear to bystanders what the reasoning is. Different severity of outcome, so a different threshold of proof1. Plus much of the trivial history of Davis is locked up in hearsay, so it is important for things like, "John left Northern California to pursue a relationship, thus selling his business." I know this, as I heard from him a little about his dates over a few months, and he later vocally told people he was moving for that reason, and was looking for a buyer. But there's probably no absolute proof. -jw
      • Seems to me that the menu prices speak for themselves - it depends on what you order. If you order pasta for your main dish and nothing else, you're not going to be spending $50. I don't see the point of speculating about what the "average" diner will spend. —cp
        • They used to word their menu as having first courses and second courses. In my opinion, this sort of pressured the customer into thinking they weren't getting a complete meal without both. With some wine, and dessert or appetizers, I'm sure $100 per person was not uncommon and maybe even a lowball estimate. This restaurant, particularly in its early days, was clearly aimed for splurgers: the wealth Davis elite and others who are out to impress people for a special occasion. -SM
          • Primi and secondi are standard terms for Italian restaurant menus, and authentic Italian cooking doesn't have pasta as a main dish. That's not an attempt to pressure; that's the way the cuisine is, which of course, one can freely ignore by ordering what one wants. And of course, yes, people can spend $100 easily there if they like. Or not, if they don't like. I just object to the suggestion that if you go there that that will inevitably be your bill. —cp
            • I'm not very familiar with Italian restaurants beyond the Americanized ones. All i know is that as an average joe, if i were to go to any restaurant that offers multiple courses, I would assume that even the main entrees would be significantly smaller than other restaurants that don't offer courses. Are the portions smaller here than the average Davis restaurant or about on par? I would say that would be a good determinant as to an estimate of how much people typically pay, as most diners like to get full. -SM
              • The portion sizes are typical for upscale Italian restaurants, in my experience. Of course, they don't rival those of, say, Black Bear Diner, which will offer you insane amounts of mediocre food. —cp

2012-08-30 15:08:39   Sorry about Panera. I purely misread the #'s. —PeteB

2012-10-05 14:34:33   FYI I'm despamifying any email addresses I see. I'm hearing reports that email addresses are being lifted specifically off Wikis —PeteB

2012-10-06 13:05:07   Is there a way to make a macro that takes a parameter, so eg I could create a link to the actual page on the woodland wiki with the Davis to Woodland macro? —ScottRitchie

2012-10-18 23:53:48   Done, I made a starting entry for Instagram. I think its relevant to Davis. You have many people taking photos with smartphone and Instagram allows easy photo sharing to reach broad audience. —SimonFung

2012-10-27 13:43:32   Yep. And I think some people worked pretty hard to find some compromises on this one. —CovertProfessor

2012-10-31 19:49:09   Informative and entertaining edit comments make me happy. I strive to make the mundane a bit more interesting :) —LoriOrf

2012-11-05 18:09:28   Jabs-need you to stop Tom12—he's in active whitewash mode —PeteB

2012-11-06 11:10:28   I see your point about moving the "Politics" section down on the ACE page, but given the timeliness (i.e., election day) plus the attention that the page has received from the Vanguard and Patch, I would think it would make more sense to keep it higher on the page for now and then move it back down later. —CovertProfessor

2012-11-06 13:32:46   Thanks. I too was torn about where to put it at first. —CovertProfessor

2012-11-12 20:29:09   FYI unnecessary legal threat on 24/7 Taxi Cab Company. Doubt he can do anything but I thought you should be aware. —PeteB

2012-11-14 12:21:51   Jabberwokky please act on my proposal in 24/7 Taxi Cab Company/Talk-there's a pretty clear community consensus. AndrewNodim is continuing to insult people. Please end this matter —PeteB

2012-11-14 12:47:19   Jabs-FYI I posted that to Andrew already. He ignored it, wiped out the talk page and posted another insult. —PeteB

2012-11-14 13:04:04   I would've retracted the proposal if Tom had messaged me...(shrug) —PeteB

2012-11-19 14:25:35   Hi, I added a note to the Uncle Vito's page about how they no longer serve burgers.... I wasn't sure if that was proper protocol or not? I left a comment, too. —HannahToru

2012-11-20 11:27:35   one of her kids was my age and went to DJUSD with me. 1 degree of Davis. It's always been a doozy of a last name and I figured I would share —StevenDaubert

2012-11-20 18:14:07   FYI I believe StevenJonson is the same person as stevejonson. —PeteB

2012-11-21 23:08:53   Sure, glad to. CO really did start an important conversation. It's too bad that she doesn't seem to want to genuinely engage in it. —CovertProfessor

2012-11-22 02:04:15   The heading, "Why eat Balanced?" could be seen as viewing every other other way of eating as imbalanced. I understand that each section is going to be biased, but if the heading itself doesn't reflect specifics (in this case eating meat), it could come across like "this is the sane way" until you even read the text below. I don't think that was your intent (I'm guessing you changed it since "Counterpoint: Meat" isn't appropriate because it should be presenting itself as a unique ethical system rather than a counterpoint) , but it just seems like the heading should definitely directly refer to meat, IMHO. —ScottMeehleib

2012-11-22 02:08:32   Happy thanksgiving btw! —ScottMeehleib

2012-11-22 11:55:04   How are GMOs simple and self-sustaining? I'm not quite getting it. —CovertProfessor

2012-11-22 14:30:43   !!!! scared the **** out of me —StevenDaubert

2012-11-22 23:04:38   Ah, ok, I suppose I can see how GMOs might help them be self-sustaining, at least in the short term (but boy, the tone of that article is obnoxious). Simple, though — no. And I think GMOs are far less tested than big biotech lets on. But that's another story.

As for the ethical eating page — some people do seem to think that they've eliminated all possible ethical concerns by eating animals that were humanely raised and killed. So, I think it's important to state explicitly that that isn't the case. —CovertProfessor

2012-11-23 09:27:58   Jabs regarding BKCAB AIRPORT ONLY they have two entirely different phone #'s. —PeteB

2012-11-23 18:51:53   You were going to elaborate about Bk Cab Airport Only?? —PeteB

2012-11-23 19:14:28   Hope you and Sarah are feeling better soon. —CovertProfessor

2012-11-23 19:34:49   I'm sorry Jabs-didn't know you were sick. Both of you feel better soon! —PeteB

2012-11-23 19:44:57   Thank you for the distance comparison. I don't think they should be allowed on here. —PeteB

2012-11-26 22:04:17   Sorry, I hope you don't mind that I moved your edit about Sunset Magazine to its own page. I did try to do due diligence and link it into the wiki. It's just that when I saw Mikey's latest photo on the Sunset page, I thought to myself, "This is one of the best pages of the wiki. A page that highlights the beauty of Davis. Not commercial. Not there for any reason other than enjoyment." So, perhaps you can understand why I moved the magazine reference off, though I think I do understand why you put it there. —CovertProfessor

2012-12-04 12:16:40   Thanks for the California Burrito info. I was assuming that by putting avocado on anything you could call it "California" and that the potatoes being there were just a coincidence, but there does appear to be a consensus on what a California Burrito is and that it came from SD. —MikeyCrews

2012-12-11 12:56:52   Ah, for the good ol' days. :-) —CovertProfessor

2012-12-11 20:52:15   Oh good, I'm glad you like it. I actually took some more "traditional" puddle photos, but then my partner jokingly said, "Use the Toad Hollow one," and I thought, "Why not?" It's just a very large perpetual puddle. :-) —CovertProfessor

2012-12-12 16:29:23   Thanks for the help! —JaredCrisologoSmith


1. The one time there's a severity of outcome that demands serious evidence and/or careful wording are the so-called "nuclear accusations": racism, sexual assault, etc. The wiki wrestles with this, because this has been a forum by which accusers have found strength in each other, coming forward. Other times, it appeared that there were spurious claims. I myself put up such an accusation recently, based on what I had heard in a broadcast medium, looking for proof, but dated to make sure it is removed if proof fails to surface.